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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:16:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160127191645.GA8045@cloud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <604294939.6161.1453920216268.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 06:43:36PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Jan 27, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Josh Triplett josh@joshtriplett.org wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 05:36:48PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> >> ----- On Jan 27, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Thomas Gleixner tglx@linutronix.de wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Josh Triplett wrote:
> >> >> With the dynamic allocation removed, this seems sensible to me.  One
> >> >> minor nit: s/int32_t/uint32_t/g, since a location intended to hold a CPU
> >> >> number should never need to hold a negative number.
> >> > 
> >> > You try to block the future of computing: https://lwn.net/Articles/638673/
> >> 
> >> Besides impossible architectures, there is actually a use-case for
> >> signedness here. It makes it possible to initialize the cpu number
> >> cache to a negative value, e.g. -1, in userspace. Then, a check for
> >> value < 0 can be used to figure out cases where the getcpu_cache
> >> system call is not implemented, and where a fallback (vdso or getcpu
> >> syscall) needs to be used.
> >> 
> >> This is why I have chosen a signed type for the cpu cache so far.
> > 
> > If getcpu_cache doesn't exist, you'll get ENOSYS.  If getcpu_cache
> > returns 0, then you can assume the kernel will give you a valid CPU
> > number.
> 
> I'm referring to the code path that read the content of the cache.
> This code don't call the getcpu_cache system call each time (this
> would defeat the entire purpose of this cache), but still has to
> know whether it can rely on the cache content to contain the current
> CPU number. Seeing a "-1" there is a nice way to tell the fast path
> that it needs to go through a fallback.
> 
> Or perhaps you have another mechanism in mind for that ? How do
> you intend to communicate the ENOSYS from the kernel to all
> eventual readers of the cache, without adding extra function
> call overhead on the fast path ?

Have the fast path assume the cache, without even checking for -1; only
use that fast path if getcpu_cache exists.  If you don't have
getcpu_cache, don't even attempt to use the fast path; substitute in a
fallback implementation.  Don't have a conditional in either version;
just decide which version to use based on system capabilities.

Alternatively, use the implementation you have with a placeholder value,
and just use 0xFFFFFFFF as the placeholder; that seems no more or
less valid.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-27 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-27 16:54 [RFC PATCH v2 0/3] getcpu_cache system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 16:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/3] getcpu_cache system call: cache CPU number of running thread Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <1453913683-28915-2-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 17:20     ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 17:20       ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 17:24       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:24         ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:36         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 17:36           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]           ` <2049061625.6140.1453916208296.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 18:02             ` Andrew Hunter
2016-01-27 18:02               ` Andrew Hunter
2016-01-27 18:03             ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 18:03               ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 18:43               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 19:16                 ` Josh Triplett [this message]
2016-01-27 21:02                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                     ` <2037701859.6303.1453928564519.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 21:30                       ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 21:30                         ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 17:22     ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:22       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:31       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 17:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]         ` <671969438.6129.1453915918933.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 17:34           ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:34             ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:37             ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 17:37               ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-27 21:34               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 21:34                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                 ` <974364259.6329.1453930475174.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 22:11                   ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 22:11                     ` Josh Triplett
2016-01-27 22:47                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 22:47                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                       ` <75735238.6347.1453934857246.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-28 11:12                         ` Heiko Carstens
2016-01-28 11:12                           ` Heiko Carstens
2016-01-28 13:33                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-28 13:33                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-28  3:12     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-01-28  3:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]       ` <20160128031213.GA55682-+o4/htvd0TDFYCXBM6kdu7fOX0fSgVTm@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-28 17:41         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-28 17:41           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 16:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/3] getcpu_cache: wire up ARM system call Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <1453913683-28915-3-git-send-email-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 18:19     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-01-27 18:19       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]       ` <20160127181915.GA10826-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 18:46         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 18:46           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]           ` <1011987684.6168.1453920399905.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-27 23:03             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 23:03               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-01-27 16:54 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/3] getcpu_cache: wire up x86 32/64 " Mathieu Desnoyers

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