From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from v6.tansi.org (mail.tansi.org [87.118.116.4]) by mail.server123.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:31:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from gatewagner.dyndns.org (77-57-36-72.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.57.36.72]) by v6.tansi.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2E4EE20DC530 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:31:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:31:23 +0100 From: Arno Wagner Message-ID: <20160205133123.GA31320@tansi.org> References: <56B20C05.7080307@gmail.com> <1454603376.4241.5.camel@debian.org> <20160204171753.GA20874@tansi.org> <1454653850.3573.2.camel@debian.org> <20160205110232.GD29709@tansi.org> <1454678001.21086.24.camel@debian.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <1454678001.21086.24.camel@debian.org> Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] The future of disk encryption with LUKS2 List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: dm-crypt@saout.de On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 14:13:21 CET, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On ven., 2016-02-05 at 12:02 +0100, Arno Wagner wrote: > > > Think external drives / removable storage? > >=20 > > An attacker with physical access that you do not notice has=A0 > > won. Storage encryption does not protect here. Think, for=A0 > > example, "evil maid" type attacks. Storage encryption > > is only for theft of the device (which you notice) or=A0 > > attacker access which you notice in other ways. >=20 > This is exactly why integrity matters? The point is to have an usb drive / > external disk *fully* encrypted. The decryption is done by the host > (which is trusted). In that case, confidentiality and integrity are both > important. No. You are trying to solve the wrong problem. First, disk=20 encryption with 1:1 mapping will never give you integrity=20 protection and the other variants kill performance. And second, who says anything abot the "evil maid" changing things in the encrypted container? Seriosuly, what you want you do not do with disk encryption,=20 but with PGP/GnuPG on file-level. Regards, Arno=20 --=20 Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., Email: arno@wagner.name GnuPG: ID: CB5D9718 FP: 12D6 C03B 1B30 33BB 13CF B774 E35C 5FA1 CB5D 9718 ---- A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. -- Plato If it's in the news, don't worry about it. The very definition of=20 "news" is "something that hardly ever happens." -- Bruce Schneier