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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] New MAP_PMEM_AWARE mmap flag
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:03:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160222180350.GA9866@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <x49y4ac630l.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com>

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:58:18PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote:
> Sorry for being dense, but why, exactly?  If the file system is making
> changes without the application's involvement, then the file system
> should be responsible for ensuring its own consistency, irrespective of
> whether the application issues an fsync.  Clearly I'm missing some key
> point here.

The simplest example is a copy on write file system (or simply a copy on
write file, which can exist with ocfs2 and will with xfs very soon),
where each write will allocate a new block, which will require metadata
updates.

We've built the whole I/O model around the concept that by default our
I/O will required fsync/msync.  For read/write-style I/O you can opt out
using O_DSYNC.  There currently is no way to opt out for memory mapped
I/O, mostly because it's

  a) useless without something like DAX, and
  b) much harder to implement

So a MAP_SYNC option might not be entirely off the table, but I think
it would be a lot of hard work and I'm not even sure it's possible
to handle it in the general case.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-22 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-21 17:03 [RFC 0/2] New MAP_PMEM_AWARE mmap flag Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 17:04 ` [RFC 1/2] mmap: Define a new " Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 17:06 ` [RFC 2/2] dax: Support " Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 19:51 ` [RFC 0/2] New " Dan Williams
2016-02-21 20:24   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 20:57     ` Dan Williams
2016-02-21 21:23       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 22:03         ` Dan Williams
2016-02-21 22:31           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-22  9:57             ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-22 15:34             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-22 17:44               ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-22 17:58                 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-22 18:03                   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2016-02-22 18:52                     ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23  9:45                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-22 20:05                 ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-02-23  9:52                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-23 10:07                     ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-02-23 12:06                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 17:10                         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-23 21:47                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 22:15                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 23:28                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-24  0:08                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 14:10                     ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 16:56                       ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 17:05                         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-23 17:26                           ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 21:55                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 22:33                           ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 23:07                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 23:23                               ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 23:40                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-24  0:08                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 23:28                             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23 23:34                               ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 23:43                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23 23:56                                   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-24  4:09                                     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-24 19:30                                       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-25  9:46                                         ` Jan Kara
2016-02-25  7:44                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-24 15:02                                     ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-24 22:56                                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-25 16:24                                         ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 19:11                                           ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 20:15                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-25 20:57                                               ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 22:27                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-26  4:02                                                   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-26 10:04                                                     ` Thanumalayan Sankaranarayana Pillai
2016-02-28 10:17                                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-28 10:17                                                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-03-03 17:38                                                         ` Howard Chu
2016-02-29 20:25                                                   ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 21:08                                               ` Phil Terry
2016-02-25 21:39                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-25 21:20                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-29 20:32                                             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23 17:25                       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-23 22:47                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-22 21:50               ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 13:51               ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 14:22                 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-22 11:05           ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-03-11  6:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:07   ` Dan Williams
2016-03-11 19:10     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 23:02       ` Rudoff, Andy

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