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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] atomic: Fix bugs in 'fetch_or()' and rename it to 'xchg_or()'
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:04:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160316080437.GA31133@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160315132623.GZ6344@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 01:21:45PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >  - Renaming fetch_or() to xchg_or(), recognizing that the semantics
> >    are xchg()-alike.
> 
> Let me add another argument for why I don't like the "exchange/swap
> (and) add" naming.
> 
> Exchange (and swap) replace one value for another, like:
> 
> 	old = xchg(ptr, val);
> 
> Whatever was there, gets replaced by the independent value in @val.
> Straight up replacement.
> 
> However with something like xchg_or, you don't do a direct replacement
> with an unrelated value. Instead you modify the pre-existing value. So
> there really isn't an exchange at all.
> 
> So "fetch (and) or" really describes the operation better. You load
> (fetch) the value and then modify it, in an indivisible (aka atomic)
> fashion.

Ok!

Could we at least somehow sneak the notion of 'atomicity' into it?

	fetch_or()
	fetch_and()
	fetch_not()

vs.

	fetch_atomic_or()
	fetch_atomic_and()
	fetch_atomic_not()

vs.

	atomic_fetch_or()
	atomic_fetch_and()
	atomic_fetch_not()

?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-16  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-14 12:32 [GIT PULL] NOHZ updates for v4.6 Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15  2:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-15  8:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15  9:49     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15  9:32   ` [PATCH] atomic: Fix bugs in 'fetch_or()' and rename it to 'xchg_or()' Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 10:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15 12:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 12:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15 11:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15 11:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15 12:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 12:32       ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 12:37         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 13:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15 12:21     ` [PATCH v2] " Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 13:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-16  8:04         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-03-16  8:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-15 17:08       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-03-16  8:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-17  0:54           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-03-15 16:18     ` [PATCH] " Linus Torvalds
2016-03-15  9:53   ` [PATCH] nohz: Change tick_dep_mask from 'unsigned long' to 'unsigned int' Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 12:15     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-15 16:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-15 17:28         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-03-15 17:36           ` Linus Torvalds

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