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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be>
Cc: nbd-general@lists.sourceforge.net,
	"Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] [PATCH 2/2] NBD proto: add GET_LBA_STATUS extension
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:14:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160323181454.GI4126@noname.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160323175834.GC2467@grep.be>

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Am 23.03.2016 um 18:58 hat Wouter Verhelst geschrieben:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 05:16:02PM +0300, Denis V. Lunev wrote:
> > +    The type of information required by the client is passed to server in the
> > +    command flags field. If the server does not implement requested type or
> > +    have no means to express it, it MUST NOT return an error, but instead MUST
> > +    return a single LBA status descriptor with *offset* and *length* equal to
> > +    the *offset* and *length* from request, and *status* set to `0`.
> > +
> > +    The following request types are currently defined for the command:
> > +
> > +    1. Block provisioning state
> > +
> > +    Upon receiving an `NBD_CMD_GET_LBA_STATUS` command with command flags
> > +    field set to `NBD_FLAG_GET_ALLOCATED` (0x0), the server MUST return
> 
> I prefer to have a non-zero flag value.
> 
> > +    the provisioning state of the device. The following provisionnig states
> > +    are defined for the command:
> > +
> > +      - `NBD_STATE_ALLOCATED` (0x0), LBA extent is present on the block device;
> > +      - `NBD_STATE_ZEROED` (0x1), LBA extent is present on the block device
> > +        and contains zeroes;
> 
> Presumably this should be "contains only zeroes"?
> 
> Also, this may end up being a fairly expensive call for the server to
> process. Is it really useful?

I think we need to make clear that this is meant as an optimisation and
it's always a valid option for a server to return NBD_STATE_ALLOCATED
even if the contents is zeroed.

It is definitely useful if the server has a means to efficiently find
out the allocation status (e.g. SEEK_HOLE). In that case the client may
be able to avoid reading the block and sending it over the network, or
when making a copy, it could use it to keep the target file sparse. If
the client can't take advantage, we didn't have much overhead, so it's
fine.

It's less clear in a case where the server needs to read in the block
and scan its contents. It could still be a net win if the next thing the
client does is retrieving the block: The server would still have the
cost of reading the block, but it wouldn't be transferred. But when the
client doesn't follow up with a read, it's quite a bit of overhead that
we had for no benefit. Returning NBD_STATE_ALLOCATED might be more
appropriate in this case than scanning for zeros.

Kevin

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-23 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-23 14:16 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] NBD protocol extensions: WRITE_ZEROES and GET_LBA_STATUS Denis V. Lunev
2016-03-23 14:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] NBD proto: add WRITE_ZEROES extension Denis V. Lunev
2016-03-23 15:14   ` Eric Blake
2016-03-23 17:40     ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24  7:16     ` [Qemu-devel] " Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24  7:36       ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-23 17:21   ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24  7:57     ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24  8:26       ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24 11:35         ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24 11:37         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 12:31           ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24 14:53         ` Eric Blake
2016-03-23 14:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] NBD proto: add GET_LBA_STATUS extension Denis V. Lunev
2016-03-23 16:27   ` Eric Blake
2016-03-24 12:30     ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24 15:04       ` Eric Blake
2016-03-24 16:36         ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-23 17:58   ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-23 18:14     ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2016-03-24  8:25       ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24  8:41         ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24 11:36           ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24 12:32             ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24  8:43     ` Pavel Borzenkov
2016-03-24  9:33       ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24 10:32         ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-24 11:58           ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 12:17             ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-24 12:32               ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 13:31                 ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-24 13:32                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 11:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 12:43       ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24 15:25       ` Eric Blake
2016-03-24 15:33         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 15:53           ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-24 16:04             ` Eric Blake
2016-03-24 16:07               ` Kevin Wolf
2016-03-24 16:47                 ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29  9:38                   ` Kevin Wolf
2016-03-29  9:53                     ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-29 10:25                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-03-24 22:08   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2016-03-25  8:49     ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Wouter Verhelst
2016-03-25  9:01       ` Alex Bligh
2016-03-28 15:58       ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 10:32         ` Markus Pargmann
2016-04-04 10:18       ` Markus Pargmann
2016-04-04 16:54         ` Eric Blake
2016-04-04 22:17         ` Wouter Verhelst
2016-04-04 16:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2016-04-04 20:16   ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-04-04 20:36     ` [Qemu-devel] [Nbd] " Eric Blake

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