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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, waiman.long@hpe.com,
	mingo@redhat.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, dave@stgolabs.net
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking,arm64: Introduce cmpwait()
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:40:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160423034029.GD3369@insomnia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160423023736.GZ3430@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

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On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 04:37:36AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 12:08:57AM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > How about replace smp_rmb() with a smp_acquire_barrier__after_cmpwait()?
> > This barrier is designed to provide an ACQUIRE ordering when combining a
> > cmpwait() .
> 
> That's a horrible name for a barrier :-)
> 

Indeed, and having another special barrier is a pain.

> > And cmpwait() only has minimal ordering guarantee, but if it is actually
> > an ACQUIRE, then the corresponding smp_acquire_barrier__after_cmpwait()
> > is just empty.
> > 
> > We might need this special barrier on ppc, because we can implement it
> > with "isync" given that cmpwait() has control dependency and ctrl+isync
> > is ACQUIRE on ppc.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> 
> Provide a PPC specific smp_cond_load_acquire() using ISYNC ?

That works, but I should do more investigation on that, I brought this
up because ISYNC may be better than smp_rmb() in two cases, IIUC:

1.	for old systems without LWSYNC, smp_rmb() is actually SYNC,
	which is heavier than ISYNC.

2.	for new systems, isync may be a little faster than lwsync,
	according to Michael Ellerman: http://lkml.kernel.org/g/1437012028.28475.2.camel@ellerman.id.au

but I doubt these two cases will have any observed performance impact,
so the current version of smp_cond_load_acquire() in your patch is fine,
and we can switch to a specific one in the future we want to ;-)

Regards,
Boqun

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      reply	other threads:[~2016-04-23  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-04 12:22 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] smp_cond_load_acquire + cmpwait Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-04 12:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] locking: Replace smp_cond_acquire with smp_cond_load_acquire Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-04 18:20   ` Waiman Long
2016-04-04 12:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] locking/qrwlock: Use smp_cond_load_acquire() Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-12  4:58   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-04-12 16:45     ` Waiman Long
2016-04-04 12:22 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] locking,arm64: Introduce cmpwait() Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-04 13:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-12 16:59   ` Will Deacon
2016-04-13 12:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-26 16:33       ` Will Deacon
2016-04-26 17:15         ` Will Deacon
2016-04-26 20:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-22 16:08     ` Boqun Feng
2016-04-22 16:53       ` Will Deacon
2016-04-23  4:02         ` Boqun Feng
2016-04-23  2:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-23  3:40         ` Boqun Feng [this message]

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