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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Chris J Arges <chris.j.arges@canonical.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: klp_task_patch: was: [RFC PATCH v2 17/18] livepatch: change to a per-task consistency model
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:12:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160518131218.GF21055@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160516181250.k3bqqk4hd3dyxldf@treble>

On Mon 2016-05-16 13:12:50, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 02:23:03PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > On Fri 2016-05-06 07:38:55, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 01:57:01PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > > > I have missed that the two commands are called with preemption
> > > > disabled. So, I had the following crazy scenario in mind:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > CPU0				CPU1
> > > > 
> > > > klp_enable_patch()
> > > > 
> > > >   klp_target_state = KLP_PATCHED;
> > > > 
> > > >   for_each_task()
> > > >      set TIF_PENDING_PATCH
> > > > 
> > > > 				# task 123
> > > > 
> > > > 				if (klp_patch_pending(current)
> > > > 				  klp_patch_task(current)
> > > > 
> > > >                                     clear TIF_PENDING_PATCH
> > > > 
> > > > 				    smp_rmb();
> > > > 
> > > > 				    # switch to assembly of
> > > > 				    # klp_patch_task()
> > > > 
> > > > 				    mov klp_target_state, %r12
> > > > 
> > > > 				    # interrupt and schedule
> > > > 				    # another task
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   klp_reverse_transition();
> > > > 
> > > >     klp_target_state = KLP_UNPATCHED;
> > > > 
> > > >     klt_try_to_complete_transition()
> > > > 
> > > >       task = 123;
> > > >       if (task->patch_state == klp_target_state;
> > > >          return 0;
> > > > 
> > > >     => task 123 is in target state and does
> > > >     not block conversion
> > > > 
> > > >   klp_complete_transition()
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   # disable previous patch on the stack
> > > >   klp_disable_patch();
> > > > 
> > > >     klp_target_state = KLP_UNPATCHED;
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > > 				    # task 123 gets scheduled again
> > > > 				    lea %r12, task->patch_state
> > > > 
> > > > 				    => it happily stores an outdated
> > > > 				    state
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the clear explanation, this helps a lot.
> > > 
> > > > This is why the two functions should get called with preemption
> > > > disabled. We should document it at least. I imagine that we will
> > > > use them later also in another context and nobody will remember
> > > > this crazy scenario.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, even disabled preemption does not help. The process on
> > > > CPU1 might be also interrupted by an NMI and do some long
> > > > printk in it.
> > > > 
> > > > IMHO, the only safe approach is to call klp_patch_task()
> > > > only for "current" on a safe place. Then this race is harmless.
> > > > The switch happen on a safe place, so that it does not matter
> > > > into which state the process is switched.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure about this solution.  When klp_complete_transition() is
> > > called, we need all tasks to be patched, for good.  We don't want any of
> > > them to randomly switch to the wrong state at some later time in the
> > > middle of a future patch operation.  How would changing klp_patch_task()
> > > to only use "current" prevent that?
> > 
> > You are right that it is pity but it really should be safe because
> > it is not entirely random.
> > 
> > If the race happens and assign an outdated value, there are two
> > situations:
> > 
> > 1. It is assigned when there is not transition in the progress.
> >    Then it is OK because it will be ignored by the ftrace handler.
> >    The right state will be set before the next transition starts.
> > 
> > 2. It is assigned when some other transition is in progress.
> >    Then it is OK as long as the function is called from "current".
> >    The "wrong" state will be used consistently. It will switch
> >    to the right state on another safe state.
> 
> Maybe it would be safe, though I'm not entirely convinced.  Regardless I
> think we should avoid these situations entirely because they create
> windows for future bugs and races.

Yup, I would prefer a cleaner solution as well.

> > > > By other words, the task state might be updated only
> > > > 
> > > >    + by the task itself on a safe place
> > > >    + by other task when the updated on is sleeping on a safe place
> > > > 
> > > > This should be well documented and the API should help to avoid
> > > > a misuse.
> > > 
> > > I think we could fix it to be safe for future callers who might not have
> > > preemption disabled with a couple of changes to klp_patch_task():
> > > disabling preemption and testing/clearing the TIF_PATCH_PENDING flag
> > > before changing the patch state:
> > > 
> > >   void klp_patch_task(struct task_struct *task)
> > >   {
> > >   	preempt_disable();
> > >   
> > >   	if (test_and_clear_tsk_thread_flag(task, TIF_PATCH_PENDING))
> > >   		task->patch_state = READ_ONCE(klp_target_state);
> > >   
> > >   	preempt_enable();
> > >   }
> > 
> > It reduces the race window a bit but it is still there. For example,
> > NMI still might add a huge delay between reading klp_target_state
> > and assigning task->patch state.
> 
> Maybe you missed this paragraph from my last email:
>
> | We would also need a synchronize_sched() after the patching is complete,
> | either at the end of klp_try_complete_transition() or in
> | klp_complete_transition().  That would make sure that all existing calls
> | to klp_patch_task() are done.
> 
> So a huge NMI delay wouldn't be a problem here.  The call to
> synchronize_sched() in klp_complete_transition() would sleep until the
> NMI handler returns and the critical section of klp_patch_task()
> finishes.  So once a patch is complete, we know that it's really
> complete.

Yes, synchronize_sched() will help with the premeption disabled. I did
not shake my head enough last time.


> > What about the following?
> > 
> > /*
> >  * This function might assign an outdated value if the transaction
> > `* is reverted and finalized in parallel. But it is safe. If the value
> >  * is assigned outside of a transaction, it is ignored and the next
> >  * transaction will set the right one. Or if it gets assigned
> >  * inside another transaction, it will repeat the cycle and
> >  * set the right state.
> >  */
> > void klp_update_current_patch_state()
> > {
> > 	while (test_and_clear_tsk_thread_flag(current, TIF_PATCH_PENDING))
> > 		current->patch_state = READ_ONCE(klp_target_state);
> > }
> 
> I'm not sure how this would work.  How would the thread flag get set
> again after it's been cleared?

See the race described in the previous mail. The problem is when the
target_state and the TIF flags gets set after reading klp_target_state
into a register and before storing the value into current->patch_state.

We do not need this if use the synchronize_sched() and fix up
current->patch_state then.

> Also I really don't like the idea of randomly updating a task's patch
> state after the transition has been completed.
> 
> > Note that the disabled preemption helped only partially,
> > so I think that it was not really needed.
> > 
> > Hmm, it means that the task->patch_state  might be either
> > KLP_PATCHED or KLP_UNPATCHED outside a transition. I wonder
> > if the tristate really brings some advantages.
> > 
> > 
> > Alternatively, we might synchronize the operation with klp_mutex.
> > The function is called in a slow path and in a safe context.
> > Well, it might cause contention on the lock when many CPUs are
> > trying to update their tasks.
> 
> I don't think a mutex would work because at least the ftrace handler
> (and maybe more) can't sleep.  Maybe a spinlock could work but I think
> that would be overkill.

Sure, I had a spinlock in mind.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-18 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-28 20:44 [RFC PATCH v2 00/18] livepatch: hybrid consistency model Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/18] x86/asm/head: clean up initial stack variable Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/18] x86/asm/head: use a common function for starting CPUs Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/18] x86/asm/head: standardize the bottom of the stack for idle tasks Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 18:46   ` Brian Gerst
2016-04-29 20:28     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 19:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 20:50     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 21:38       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 23:27         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-30  0:10           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/18] x86: move _stext marker before head code Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/18] sched: add task flag for preempt IRQ tracking Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 18:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 20:11     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 20:19       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 20:27         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 20:32           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 21:25             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 21:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 22:11                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-04-29 22:57                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-30  0:09                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 22:41                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-30  0:08                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-02 13:52                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-02 15:52                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-02 17:31                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-02 18:12                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-02 18:34                             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-05-02 19:44                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-02 19:54                             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-02 20:00                               ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-03  0:39                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-04 15:16                             ` David Laight
2016-05-04 15:16                               ` David Laight
2016-05-19 23:15                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-19 23:39                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-20 14:05                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-20 15:41                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-20 16:41                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-20 16:59                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-20 17:49                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-23 23:02                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-24  1:42                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-23 21:34                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-05-24  2:28                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-24  3:52                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-22 16:30                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-22 17:59                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-22 18:22                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-22 18:26                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-22 18:40                                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-22 19:17                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-23 16:19                                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-23 16:35                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-23 18:31                                                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-23 20:40                                                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-06-23 22:00                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-23  0:09                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-23 15:55                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/18] x86: dump_trace() error handling Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 13:45   ` Minfei Huang
2016-04-29 14:00     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/18] stacktrace/x86: function for detecting reliable stack traces Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/18] livepatch: temporary stubs for klp_patch_pending() and klp_patch_task() Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/18] livepatch/x86: add TIF_PATCH_PENDING thread flag Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-29 18:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-29 20:18     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/18] livepatch/powerpc: " Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-03  9:07   ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-03 12:06     ` Miroslav Benes
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/18] livepatch/s390: reorganize TIF thread flag bits Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/18] livepatch/s390: add TIF_PATCH_PENDING thread flag Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/18] livepatch: separate enabled and patched states Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-03  9:30   ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-03 13:48     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/18] livepatch: remove unnecessary object loaded check Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/18] livepatch: move patching functions into patch.c Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-03  9:39   ` Petr Mladek
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/18] livepatch: store function sizes Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/18] livepatch: change to a per-task consistency model Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-04  8:42   ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-04 15:51     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05  9:41       ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-05 13:06       ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-04 12:39   ` barriers: was: " Petr Mladek
2016-05-04 13:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-04 16:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-04 14:12     ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-04 17:25       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05 11:21         ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-09 15:42         ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-04 17:02     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05 10:21       ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-04 14:48   ` klp_task_patch: " Petr Mladek
2016-05-04 14:56     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-04 17:57     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-05 11:57       ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-06 12:38         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-09 12:23           ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-16 18:12             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-18 13:12               ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2016-05-06 11:33   ` Petr Mladek
2016-05-06 12:44     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-09  9:41   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-16 17:27     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-10 11:39   ` Miroslav Benes
2016-05-17 22:53   ` Jessica Yu
2016-05-18  8:16     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-18 16:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-05-18 20:22         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-23  9:42           ` David Laight
2016-05-23  9:42             ` David Laight
2016-05-23 18:44             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-05-24 15:06               ` David Laight
2016-05-24 15:06                 ` David Laight
2016-05-24 22:45                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-06-06 13:54   ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/18] " Petr Mladek
2016-06-06 14:29     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2016-04-28 20:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/18] livepatch: add /proc/<pid>/patch_state Josh Poimboeuf

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