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From: Zygo Blaxell <ce3g8jdj@umail.furryterror.org>
To: Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>
Cc: Hugo Mills <hugo@carfax.org.uk>,
	Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com>,
	kreijack@inwind.it, Roman Mamedov <rm@romanrm.net>,
	Btrfs BTRFS <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Adventures in btrfs raid5 disk recovery
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:06:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160624180615.GS15597@hungrycats.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJCQCtT1erMUphkn_-NPhT3A0gV1b-7O+OTxO=OsFHefRd53dA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:40:56AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Hugo Mills <hugo@carfax.org.uk> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:52:21PM +0300, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
> >    For data, say you have n-1 good devices, with n-1 blocks on them.
> > Each block has a checksum in the metadata, so you can read that
> > checksum, read the blocks, and verify that they're not damaged. From
> > those n-1 known-good blocks (all data, or one parity and the rest
> > data) you can reconstruct the remaining block. That reconstructed
> > block won't be checked against the csum for the missing block -- it'll
> > just be written and a new csum for it written with it.
> 
> The last sentence is hugely problematic. Parity doesn't appear to be
> either CoW'd or checksummed. If it is used for reconstruction and the
> reconstructed data isn't compared to the data's EXTENT_CSUM entry, but
> that entry is rather recomputed and written, that's just like blindly
> trusting the parity is correct and then authenticating it with a csum.

I think what happens is the data is recomputed, but the csum on the
data is _not_ updated (the csum does not reside in the raid56 code).
A read of the reconstructed data would get a csum failure (of course,
every 4 billionth time this happens the csum is correct by random chance,
so you wouldn't want to be reading parity blocks from a drive full of
garbage, but that's a different matter).

> It's  not difficult to test. Corrupt one byte of parity. Yank a drive.
> Add a new one. Start a reconstruction with scrub or balance (or both
> to see if they differ) and find out what happens. What should happen
> is the reconstruct should work for everything except that one file. If
> it's reconstructed silently, it should contain visible corruption and
> we all collectively raise our eyebrows.

I've done something like that test:  write random data to 1000 random
blocks on one disk, then run scrub.  It reconstructs the data without
problems (except for the minor wart that 'scrub status -d' counts the
randomly against every device, while 'dev stats' counts all the errors
on the disk that was corrupted).

Disk-side data corruption is a thing I have to deal with a few times each
year, so I tested the btrfs raid5 implementation for that case before I
started using it.  As far as I can tell so far, everything in btrfs raid5
works properly if a disk fails _while the filesystem is not mounted_.

The problem I see in the field is not *silent* corruption.  It's a whole
lot of very *noisy* corruption detected under circumstances where I'd
expect to see no corruption at all (silent or otherwise).


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  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-24 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-20  3:44 Adventures in btrfs raid5 disk recovery Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-20 18:13 ` Roman Mamedov
2016-06-20 19:11   ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-20 19:30     ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-20 20:40       ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-20 21:27         ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-21  1:55           ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-21  3:53             ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-22 17:14             ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-22 20:35               ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-23 19:32                 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2016-06-24  0:26                   ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24  1:47                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-24  4:02                       ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-06-24  8:50                         ` Hugo Mills
2016-06-24  9:52                           ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-06-24 10:16                             ` Hugo Mills
2016-06-24 10:19                               ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-06-24 10:59                                 ` Hugo Mills
2016-06-24 11:36                                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-24 17:40                               ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 18:06                                 ` Zygo Blaxell [this message]
2016-06-24 17:06                             ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 17:21                               ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-06-24 17:52                                 ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 18:19                                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-25 16:44                                     ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-25 21:52                                       ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-26  7:54                                         ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-06-26 15:03                                           ` Duncan
2016-06-26 19:30                                           ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-26 19:52                                             ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-27 11:21                                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-27 16:17                                         ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-27 20:54                                           ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-27 21:02                                           ` Henk Slager
2016-06-27 21:57                                           ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-27 22:30                                             ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-28  1:52                                               ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-28  2:39                                                 ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-28  3:17                                                   ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-28 11:23                                                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-28 12:05                                             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-28 12:14                                               ` Steven Haigh
2016-06-28 12:25                                                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-28 16:40                                                   ` Steven Haigh
2016-06-28 18:01                                                     ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-28 18:17                                                       ` Steven Haigh
2016-07-05 23:05                                                         ` Chris Murphy
2016-07-06 11:51                                                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-07-06 16:43                                                             ` Chris Murphy
2016-07-06 17:18                                                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-07-06 18:45                                                                 ` Chris Murphy
2016-07-06 19:15                                                                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-07-06 21:01                                                                     ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 16:52                           ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 16:56                             ` Hugo Mills
2016-06-24 16:39                         ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-24  1:36                   ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-23 23:37               ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24  2:07                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-24  5:20                   ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 10:16                     ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-06-24 17:33                       ` Chris Murphy
2016-06-24 11:24                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-06-24 16:32                     ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-24  2:17                 ` Zygo Blaxell
2016-06-22  4:06 ` Adventures in btrfs raid5 disk recovery - update Zygo Blaxell

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