From: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Mark Brown <broonie@sirena.org.uk>,
"ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Last minute nominations: mcgrof and toshi
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 12:20:05 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160802122005.GI4541@io.lakedaemon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVbUYQWCqrJ8E3TwhJqSs_he0qqW=TySy5yFo=pKsVAJA@mail.gmail.com>
Morning Andy,
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:45:20PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2016 4:30 PM, "Jason Cooper" <jason@lakedaemon.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:13:50PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On Aug 1, 2016 4:04 PM, "Jason Cooper" <jason@lakedaemon.net> wrote:
...
> > > > Assuming Andy's lightweight signature scheme, it would probably be best
> > > > to do a lookup based on the sha256 hash of the file. Then pathnames
> > > > don't matter, and bad files don't even get to the signature checking
> > > > code.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean. What table would we look the hash
> > > up in? What are we finding in that table?
> >
> > From the other subthread:
> >
> > > Then, to verify a signature, the kernel hashes the blob, generates its
> > > own linux_blob_signed_data, memcmps it to the one that Kyle signed
> > > (and rejects if they differ *at all*), and then verifies the
> > > signature. (Do not try to be clever and parse the supplied
> > > linux_blob_signed_data -- there is a long and storied history of
> > > equivalent ideas being implemented incorrectly, and I can dig out
> > > literature references if you really want. Just generate your own and
> > > memcmp it, which leaves no room for ambiguity.)
> > >
> >
> > So, I'm suggesting that when "the kernel hashes the blob", it use that
> > hash to locate *which* "Kyle-signed" linux_blob_signed_data it needs to
> > compare against. That's all, just removing the filename from the
> > equation. :-)
>
> So Kyle would generate a list of signatures indexed by the blob's hash
> instead of generating things like "iwlwifi-whatever.ucode.sig"? Seems
> okay. It'll keep the existing hooks working, I think. Of course, we still
> need to check the "iwlwifi-whatever.ucode" bit to confirm that it matches
> Kyle's signed data.
Right. That's where it may be better to use a version string, say the
sha1 from linux-firmware.git, or the upstream version number. However,
that route means we can't easily 'build our own linux_blob_signed_data
and do a memcmp.' since userspace may not have that info handy.
It's almost as if we need some *unsigned* attributes that are purely
informative. So we can dump a message in the logs:
Loaded /lib/firmware/intel/iwlwifi-whatever.ucode., signature match for 'iwlwifi-20160711.ucode', signed by "Intel, Corp" RSA4096 key with
keyid <sha256>.
The first path is the actual location and name of the file, and the
second is the filename attribute that is a hint, but we don't depend on
it for matching or verification.
thx,
Jason.
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Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-04 15:26 [Ksummit-discuss] Last minute nominations: mcgrof and toshi Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-08-04 22:20 ` Toshi Kani
2016-07-15 19:50 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-15 19:57 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-16 0:52 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-26 14:42 ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-27 14:04 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Signature management - keys, modules, firmware, was: " Jason Cooper
2016-07-27 14:08 ` David Howells
2016-07-27 14:10 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-27 14:23 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-27 14:58 ` Mark Rutland
2016-07-27 18:17 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-07-27 18:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-29 12:29 ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-05 17:16 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-05 18:24 ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-02 12:54 ` Linus Walleij
2016-08-02 14:00 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-02 14:09 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <CALCETrUjn7TeGbS4TQ+OFih-nby2Rh54i5177MOwqjTYDBMO=A@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CALCETrU6aQ5PR_+M7QHkTWos6i6vVS2nvEQDwr5ktBkWu-5MKw@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CALCETrW8uRK4cuQ+B6NPcO0pY-=-HRDf4LZk4xv2QdPzNEvMCg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CALCETrW_mQLmR6g_Ar8Nnpr7CRFZhth=Hj9C901Gj7_WSp=yEQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-02 14:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 14:13 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 9:47 ` Linus Walleij
2016-08-03 10:00 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 10:28 ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 10:41 ` Linus Walleij
2016-08-03 11:18 ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 15:19 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-12 12:38 ` Vinod Koul
2016-08-12 12:39 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-12 12:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-12 13:00 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-12 13:12 ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-27 15:06 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2016-07-27 15:37 ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:14 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 17:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27 19:00 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 19:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27 19:50 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 16:07 ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:25 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 16:10 ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:14 ` David Howells
2016-07-27 16:28 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 16:36 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 17:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 17:51 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-27 18:57 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 19:37 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-27 20:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-27 22:54 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-27 23:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-28 3:17 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-28 3:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-28 16:57 ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-29 22:10 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-29 22:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-30 16:36 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-31 3:08 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-31 3:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-31 15:31 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-31 16:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-07-31 17:28 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-07-31 18:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 1:52 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 17:29 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 17:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 20:23 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 20:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 20:57 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 21:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 22:56 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01 23:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 0:33 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <CALCETrXHfUULy-EB13Kbkjwco-2UVgsuRsG+OicZT6_uOkzeqA@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CALCETrWqpQV1AyxVx5eTkJiOe3t7ZFpSAuN2RG3JNHD-gqm0uA@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-02 0:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 1:13 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-02 1:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 18:12 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-01 22:21 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 22:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 23:02 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 23:04 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01 23:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-01 23:30 ` Jason Cooper
[not found] ` <CALCETrWDsMdU2-AWQC4wYvotnNd2ydWT15Ckq0nZaNRJZOtZ-g@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CALCETrW-P8+yGuEgM2BT+aCfZqJ=ekB2Xsz+4xhWtdRpprJHNw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-01 23:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 12:20 ` Jason Cooper [this message]
[not found] ` <CALCETrVEY=opRPGKy=P9h8s+TC_K19WnBJ2svXT+=_FnqRF1Mw@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CALCETrVZtn_SmeN1YX9_+2g+bEAHsfJJ7KQH7-eC_mU3O+0x2w@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-02 15:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 16:44 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-03 17:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-03 17:50 ` Jason Cooper
2016-08-01 17:15 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-02 18:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 19:02 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-08-02 19:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 19:14 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-08-02 19:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-02 19:20 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-08-02 20:22 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-29 12:43 ` Ben Hutchings
2016-07-29 17:57 ` Mimi Zohar
2016-08-01 10:22 ` Johannes Berg
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