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From: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 11/13] PM / sleep: Allow opt-out from runtime resume after direct-complete
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:39:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160812163910.GA8111@wunner.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1608071105360.31680-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 11:33:17AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> 
> > Normally the device hierarchy is traversed bottom-up during suspend
> > and top-down during resume. However ->prepare and ->complete do it
> > the other way round. In the case of ->prepare, this is even documented
> > in Documentation/power/devices.txt but the reason thereof is not.
> > Could you explain this please?
> 
> The purpose of ->prepare is to tell drivers that a system sleep is
> beginning and accordingly they should stop registering new children.  
> This is necessary for the PM core to be able to traverse the entire
> device tree safely; we want to avoid races where a new child is added
> below a device concurrently with that device being suspended.  (Or if
> you want to be more precise, races in which a new child is added below
> a device while the PM core is acquiring the device's lock just prior to
> invoking its ->suspend callback.)
> 
> Telling drivers to stop registering new children below a device has to
> be done top-down, because if it were done bottom-up then it would be
> subject to the same race described above.  Doing it top-down avoids 
> problems; if a device registers new children while the PM core is 
> acquiring its lock prior to invoking ->prepare, it doesn't matter.  The
> new children will be handled later, right along with the existing ones.

Thank you for explaining the motivation to carry out ->prepare top-down.
However my problem is really that ->complete is carried out bottom-up.
What's the motivation for that? Merely to mirror the behaviour of
->prepare? Would it be possible to change it to top-down? Note that
re-enablement of device addition is already allowed in ->resume,
which is called top-down.

By the way, neither the PCI nor USB bus-level ->prepare callbacks perform
any action that would stop device addition. Same for the pciehp driver
(we don't even have a ->prepare callback defined for PCIe port services.
So it *is* possible to hotplug PCI devices after ->prepare.

Best regards,

Lukas

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-12 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-13 11:15 [PATCH v2 00/13] Runtime PM for Thunderbolt on Macs Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] PM / sleep: Allow opt-out from runtime resume after direct-complete Lukas Wunner
2016-07-18 13:18   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-07  9:56     ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-07 15:33       ` Alan Stern
2016-08-07 15:33         ` Alan Stern
2016-08-12 16:39         ` Lukas Wunner [this message]
2016-08-12 17:30           ` Alan Stern
2016-08-12 17:30             ` Alan Stern
2016-08-12 22:40             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] thunderbolt: Support runtime pm on upstream bridge Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] PCI: Allow D3 for Thunderbolt ports Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] PCI: pciehp: Support runtime pm Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] thunderbolt: Support runtime pm on NHI Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] PCI: Use portdrv pm iterator on further callbacks Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] PCI: Do not write to PM control register while in D3cold Lukas Wunner
2016-06-17 21:18   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-07-18 13:55   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] PCI: Avoid going from D3cold to D3hot for system sleep Lukas Wunner
2016-06-17 21:09   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-06-17 22:14     ` Lukas Wunner
2016-07-18 13:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 12:28         ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-03 23:50           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-04  0:45             ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-04  1:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-04  8:14                 ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-04 15:30                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-07  9:03                     ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-07 23:32                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-11 13:20                         ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-12  0:50                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-12 16:16                             ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-12 22:18                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-12 22:37                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-14 10:27                                 ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-15 23:05                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] PCI: Recognize Thunderbolt devices Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] PCI: Generalize portdrv pm iterator Lukas Wunner
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] PCI: pciehp: Ignore interrupts during D3cold Lukas Wunner
2016-06-17 22:52   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-08-02 16:27     ` Lukas Wunner
2016-08-05  0:29       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] PCI: Allow runtime PM for Thunderbolt hotplug ports on Macs Lukas Wunner
2016-06-14  9:08   ` [PATCH v2 08/13 REBASED] " Lukas Wunner
2016-06-17 21:53   ` [PATCH v2 08/13] " Bjorn Helgaas
2016-05-13 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] PCI: Add Thunderbolt portdrv service type Lukas Wunner
2016-06-17 22:51   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-07-20  0:30     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-20  6:59     ` Lukas Wunner
2016-05-21  9:48 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Runtime PM for Thunderbolt on Macs Andreas Noever
2016-06-14 16:37   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-06-14 19:14     ` Andreas Noever
2016-06-14 20:22       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-06-15 18:40         ` Lukas Wunner
2016-06-16  1:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-07-07 17:39         ` Andreas Noever
2016-07-09  5:23           ` Greg KH
2016-07-12 21:46             ` Andreas Noever
2016-06-13 20:58 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-06-14  9:27   ` Lukas Wunner
2016-07-07 15:02 ` Lukas Wunner
2016-07-08  1:28   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-20  7:23     ` Lukas Wunner
2016-07-20 12:48       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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