From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Ross Zwisler
<ross.zwisler-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
linux-nvdimm-y27Ovi1pjclAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org,
Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox-0li6OtcxBFHby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
Andreas Dilger
<adilger.kernel-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>,
Alexander Viro
<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
Jan Kara <jack-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] ext2: tell DAX the size of allocation holes
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 00:41:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160829074116.GA16491@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160826212934.GA11265-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:29:34PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> These changes don't remove the things in XFS needed by the old I/O and fault
> paths (e.g. xfs_get_blocks_direct() is still there an unchanged). Is the
> correct way forward to get buy-in from ext2/ext4 so that they also move to
> supporting an iomap based I/O path (xfs_file_iomap_begin(),
> xfs_iomap_write_direct(), etc?). That would allow us to have parallel I/O and
> fault paths for a while, then remove the old buffer_head based versions when
> the three supported filesystems have moved to iomap.
>
> If ext2 and ext4 don't choose to move to iomap, though, I don't think we want
> to have a separate I/O & fault path for iomap/XFS. That seems too painful,
> and the old buffer_head version should continue to work, ugly as it may be.
We're going to move forward killing buffer_heads in XFS. I think ext4
would dramatically benefit from this a well, as would ext2 (although I
think all that DAX work in ext2 is a horrible idea to start with).
If I don't get buy-in for the iomap DAX work in the dax code we'll just
have to keep it separate. That buffer_head mess just isn't maintainable
the long run.
> 1) In your mail above you say "It also gets rid of the other warts of the DAX
> path due to pretending to be like direct I/O". I assume by this you mean
> the code in dax_do_io() around DIO_LOCKING, inode_dio_begin(), etc?
Yes.
> Perhaps there are other things as well in XFS, but this is what I see in
> the DAX code. If so, yep, this seems like a win. I don't understand how
> DIO_LOCKING is relevant to the DAX I/O path, as we never mix buffered and
> direct access.
It's related to doing stupid copy and paste from direct I/O in the DAX
code.
> The comment in dax_do_io() for the inode_dio_begin() call says that it
> prevents the I/O from races with truncate. Am I correct that we now get
> this protection via the xfs_rw_ilock()/xfs_rw_iunlock() calls in
> xfs_file_dax_write()?
Yes, XFS always has a lock over reads that serializes with truncate.
Currenrly it's the XFS i_iolock, but I'll remove that soon and use the
VFS i_rwsem instead. For ext2/4 we could go straight to i_rwsem in
shared mode.
> 2) Just a nit, I noticed that you used "~(PAGE_SIZE - 1)" in several places in
> iomap_dax_actor() and iomap_dax_fault() instead of PAGE_MASK. Was this
> intentional?
Mostly because that's how I think. I'm fine using PAGE_MASK, though.
> 3) It's kind of weird having iomap_dax_fault() in fs/dax.c but having
> iomap_dax_actor() and iomap_dax_rw() in fs/iomap.c? I'm guessing the
> latter is placed where it is because it uses iomap_apply(), which is local
> to fs/iomap.c? Anyway, it would be nice if we could keep them together, if
> possible.
It's still work in progress and could use a few cleanups.
>
> 4) In iomap_dax_actor() you do this check:
>
> WARN_ON_ONCE(iomap->type != IOMAP_MAPPED);
>
> If we hit this we should bail with -EIO, yea? Otherwise we could write to
> unmapped space or something horrible.
Fine with me.
> 5) In iomap_dax_fault, I think the "I/O beyond the end of the file" check
> might have been broken. Take for example an I/O to the second page of a
> file, where the file has size one page. So:
sure, I can fix this up.
> 6) Regarding the "we don't even have the size hole problem" comment in your
> mail, the current PMD logic requires us to know the size of the hole.
And a big part of the iomap interface is proper reporting of holes.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] ext2: tell DAX the size of allocation holes
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 00:41:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160829074116.GA16491@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160826212934.GA11265@linux.intel.com>
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:29:34PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> These changes don't remove the things in XFS needed by the old I/O and fault
> paths (e.g. xfs_get_blocks_direct() is still there an unchanged). Is the
> correct way forward to get buy-in from ext2/ext4 so that they also move to
> supporting an iomap based I/O path (xfs_file_iomap_begin(),
> xfs_iomap_write_direct(), etc?). That would allow us to have parallel I/O and
> fault paths for a while, then remove the old buffer_head based versions when
> the three supported filesystems have moved to iomap.
>
> If ext2 and ext4 don't choose to move to iomap, though, I don't think we want
> to have a separate I/O & fault path for iomap/XFS. That seems too painful,
> and the old buffer_head version should continue to work, ugly as it may be.
We're going to move forward killing buffer_heads in XFS. I think ext4
would dramatically benefit from this a well, as would ext2 (although I
think all that DAX work in ext2 is a horrible idea to start with).
If I don't get buy-in for the iomap DAX work in the dax code we'll just
have to keep it separate. That buffer_head mess just isn't maintainable
the long run.
> 1) In your mail above you say "It also gets rid of the other warts of the DAX
> path due to pretending to be like direct I/O". I assume by this you mean
> the code in dax_do_io() around DIO_LOCKING, inode_dio_begin(), etc?
Yes.
> Perhaps there are other things as well in XFS, but this is what I see in
> the DAX code. If so, yep, this seems like a win. I don't understand how
> DIO_LOCKING is relevant to the DAX I/O path, as we never mix buffered and
> direct access.
It's related to doing stupid copy and paste from direct I/O in the DAX
code.
> The comment in dax_do_io() for the inode_dio_begin() call says that it
> prevents the I/O from races with truncate. Am I correct that we now get
> this protection via the xfs_rw_ilock()/xfs_rw_iunlock() calls in
> xfs_file_dax_write()?
Yes, XFS always has a lock over reads that serializes with truncate.
Currenrly it's the XFS i_iolock, but I'll remove that soon and use the
VFS i_rwsem instead. For ext2/4 we could go straight to i_rwsem in
shared mode.
> 2) Just a nit, I noticed that you used "~(PAGE_SIZE - 1)" in several places in
> iomap_dax_actor() and iomap_dax_fault() instead of PAGE_MASK. Was this
> intentional?
Mostly because that's how I think. I'm fine using PAGE_MASK, though.
> 3) It's kind of weird having iomap_dax_fault() in fs/dax.c but having
> iomap_dax_actor() and iomap_dax_rw() in fs/iomap.c? I'm guessing the
> latter is placed where it is because it uses iomap_apply(), which is local
> to fs/iomap.c? Anyway, it would be nice if we could keep them together, if
> possible.
It's still work in progress and could use a few cleanups.
>
> 4) In iomap_dax_actor() you do this check:
>
> WARN_ON_ONCE(iomap->type != IOMAP_MAPPED);
>
> If we hit this we should bail with -EIO, yea? Otherwise we could write to
> unmapped space or something horrible.
Fine with me.
> 5) In iomap_dax_fault, I think the "I/O beyond the end of the file" check
> might have been broken. Take for example an I/O to the second page of a
> file, where the file has size one page. So:
sure, I can fix this up.
> 6) Regarding the "we don't even have the size hole problem" comment in your
> mail, the current PMD logic requires us to know the size of the hole.
And a big part of the iomap interface is proper reporting of holes.
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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] ext2: tell DAX the size of allocation holes
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 00:41:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160829074116.GA16491@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160826212934.GA11265@linux.intel.com>
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:29:34PM -0600, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> These changes don't remove the things in XFS needed by the old I/O and fault
> paths (e.g. xfs_get_blocks_direct() is still there an unchanged). Is the
> correct way forward to get buy-in from ext2/ext4 so that they also move to
> supporting an iomap based I/O path (xfs_file_iomap_begin(),
> xfs_iomap_write_direct(), etc?). That would allow us to have parallel I/O and
> fault paths for a while, then remove the old buffer_head based versions when
> the three supported filesystems have moved to iomap.
>
> If ext2 and ext4 don't choose to move to iomap, though, I don't think we want
> to have a separate I/O & fault path for iomap/XFS. That seems too painful,
> and the old buffer_head version should continue to work, ugly as it may be.
We're going to move forward killing buffer_heads in XFS. I think ext4
would dramatically benefit from this a well, as would ext2 (although I
think all that DAX work in ext2 is a horrible idea to start with).
If I don't get buy-in for the iomap DAX work in the dax code we'll just
have to keep it separate. That buffer_head mess just isn't maintainable
the long run.
> 1) In your mail above you say "It also gets rid of the other warts of the DAX
> path due to pretending to be like direct I/O". I assume by this you mean
> the code in dax_do_io() around DIO_LOCKING, inode_dio_begin(), etc?
Yes.
> Perhaps there are other things as well in XFS, but this is what I see in
> the DAX code. If so, yep, this seems like a win. I don't understand how
> DIO_LOCKING is relevant to the DAX I/O path, as we never mix buffered and
> direct access.
It's related to doing stupid copy and paste from direct I/O in the DAX
code.
> The comment in dax_do_io() for the inode_dio_begin() call says that it
> prevents the I/O from races with truncate. Am I correct that we now get
> this protection via the xfs_rw_ilock()/xfs_rw_iunlock() calls in
> xfs_file_dax_write()?
Yes, XFS always has a lock over reads that serializes with truncate.
Currenrly it's the XFS i_iolock, but I'll remove that soon and use the
VFS i_rwsem instead. For ext2/4 we could go straight to i_rwsem in
shared mode.
> 2) Just a nit, I noticed that you used "~(PAGE_SIZE - 1)" in several places in
> iomap_dax_actor() and iomap_dax_fault() instead of PAGE_MASK. Was this
> intentional?
Mostly because that's how I think. I'm fine using PAGE_MASK, though.
> 3) It's kind of weird having iomap_dax_fault() in fs/dax.c but having
> iomap_dax_actor() and iomap_dax_rw() in fs/iomap.c? I'm guessing the
> latter is placed where it is because it uses iomap_apply(), which is local
> to fs/iomap.c? Anyway, it would be nice if we could keep them together, if
> possible.
It's still work in progress and could use a few cleanups.
>
> 4) In iomap_dax_actor() you do this check:
>
> WARN_ON_ONCE(iomap->type != IOMAP_MAPPED);
>
> If we hit this we should bail with -EIO, yea? Otherwise we could write to
> unmapped space or something horrible.
Fine with me.
> 5) In iomap_dax_fault, I think the "I/O beyond the end of the file" check
> might have been broken. Take for example an I/O to the second page of a
> file, where the file has size one page. So:
sure, I can fix this up.
> 6) Regarding the "we don't even have the size hole problem" comment in your
> mail, the current PMD logic requires us to know the size of the hole.
And a big part of the iomap interface is proper reporting of holes.
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Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-23 22:04 [PATCH v2 0/9] re-enable DAX PMD support Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] ext2: tell DAX the size of allocation holes Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
[not found] ` <20160823220419.11717-3-ross.zwisler-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-25 7:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-25 7:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-25 7:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20160825075728.GA11235-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-25 19:25 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-25 19:25 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-25 19:25 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-26 21:29 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-26 21:29 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-26 21:29 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-29 0:42 ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-29 0:42 ` Dave Chinner
[not found] ` <20160826212934.GA11265-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-29 7:41 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2016-08-29 7:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-29 7:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20160829074116.GA16491-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-29 12:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 12:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 12:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20160829125741.cdnbb2uaditcmnw2-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-30 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-30 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-08-30 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-09 16:48 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-09 16:48 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-09 16:48 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-09 20:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-09 20:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
[not found] ` <DM2PR21MB0089BCA980B67D8C53B25A1BCBFA0-B2pw06WL+/BAVFCO9/lqPs1VXTxX1y3OvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-09 22:34 ` Dan Williams
2016-09-09 22:34 ` Dan Williams
2016-09-09 22:34 ` Dan Williams
[not found] ` <CAPcyv4hjna08+Yw23w_V2f-RbBE6ar220+YGCuBVA-TACKWNug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-10 7:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 7:50 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 17:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-10 17:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20160910174910.yyirb7smiob7evt5-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-11 0:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-11 0:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-11 0:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 8:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 8:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 8:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 14:56 ` Dan Williams
2016-09-10 14:56 ` Dan Williams
2016-09-10 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 7:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 7:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-10 7:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 7:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
[not found] ` <DM2PR21MB0089C20EF469AA91A916867CCBFD0-B2pw06WL+/BAVFCO9/lqPs1VXTxX1y3OvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-11 12:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-11 12:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-11 12:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-09-11 22:57 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-11 22:57 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-10 15:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-10 15:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-09-15 20:09 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-15 20:09 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-15 20:09 ` Ross Zwisler
[not found] ` <20160823220419.11717-1-ross.zwisler-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] ext4: allow DAX writeback for hole punch Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-21 15:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-21 15:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-21 15:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-21 15:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-21 15:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-22 6:59 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-22 6:59 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-22 6:59 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-22 6:59 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-22 15:51 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-09-22 15:51 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] ext4: tell DAX the size of allocation holes Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] dax: remove buffer_size_valid() Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] dax: make 'wait_table' global variable static Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] dax: consistent variable naming for DAX entries Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] dax: coordinate locking for offsets in PMD range Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] dax: re-enable DAX PMD support Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] dax: remove "depends on BROKEN" from FS_DAX_PMD Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-23 22:04 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-30 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] re-enable DAX PMD support Ross Zwisler
2016-08-30 23:01 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-30 23:01 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-30 23:01 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-31 20:20 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-08-31 20:20 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-08-31 20:20 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
[not found] ` <1472674799.2092.19.camel-ZPxbGqLxI0U@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-31 21:36 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-31 21:36 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-31 21:36 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-31 21:36 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-08-31 21:36 ` Ross Zwisler
[not found] ` <20160831213607.GA6921-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-31 22:08 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-08-31 22:08 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-08-31 22:08 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-08-31 22:08 ` Kani, Toshimitsu
2016-09-01 16:21 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-01 16:21 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-01 16:21 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-01 16:21 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-09-01 16:21 ` Ross Zwisler
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