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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, stern@rowland.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH locking/Documentation 1/2] Add note of release-acquire store vulnerability
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:03:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160929160307.GT13862@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160929155817.GB5016@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 05:58:17PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 08:54:01AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > If two processes are related by a RELEASE+ACQUIRE pair, ordering can be
> > broken if a third process overwrites the value written by the RELEASE
> > operation before the ACQUIRE operation has a chance of reading it.
> > This commit therefore updates the documentation to call this vulnerability
> > out explicitly.
> > 
> > Reported-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> > +     However, please note that a chain of RELEASE+ACQUIRE pairs may be
> > +     broken by a store by another thread that overwrites the RELEASE
> > +     operation's store before the ACQUIRE operation's read.
> 
> This is the powerpc lwsync quirk, right? Where the barrier disappears
> when it looses the store.
> 
> Or is there more to it? Its not entirely clear from the Changelog, which
> I feel should describe the reason for the behaviour.

If I've groked it correctly, it's for cases like:


PO:
Wx=1
WyRel=1

P1:
Wy=2

P2:
RyAcq=2
Rx=0

Final value of y is 2.


This is permitted on arm64. If you make P1's store a store-release, then
it's forbidden, but I suspect that's not generally true of the kernel
memory model.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-29 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-29 15:54 [PATCH locking/Documentation 1/2] Add note of release-acquire store vulnerability Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 16:03   ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-09-29 16:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 16:44       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 16:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 17:10       ` Will Deacon
2016-09-29 17:23         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 18:04           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 18:10             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 18:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 19:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 19:36                   ` Alan Stern
2016-09-29 20:26                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30  8:53                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30  9:00                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30  9:57                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 12:14                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 12:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 13:35                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30  5:53           ` Boqun Feng
2016-09-30  9:20             ` Will Deacon
2016-09-30 11:35               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 10:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 12:17         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 12:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 13:10             ` Paul E. McKenney

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