From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>,
Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 09/16] block: Add QMP support for streaming to an intermediate layer
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 11:11:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161012091102.GD5544@noname.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871szm96ek.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>
Am 11.10.2016 um 18:50 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > On 10/11/2016 09:57 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> >> Should we introduce a new, clean blockdev-stream command that fixes this
> >> and matches the common name pattern? Of course, block-stream vs.
> >> blockdev-stream could be a bit confusing, too...
> >>
> >
> > A new command is easy to introspect (query-commands), lets us get rid of
> > cruft, and makes it obvious that we support everything from the get-go.
> > I'm favoring that option, even if it leads to slightly confusing names
> > of the deprecated vs. the new command.
>
> Let's take a step back and consider extending old commands vs. adding
> new commands.
>
> A new command is trivial to detect in introspection.
>
> Command extensions are not as trivial to detect in introspection. Many
> extensions are exposed in query-qmp-schema, but not all.
>
> Back when QMP was young, Anthony argued for always adding new commands,
> never extend existing ones. I opposed it, because it would lead to a
> confusing mess of related commands, unreadable or incomplete
> documentation, and abysmal test coverage.
>
> However, the other extreme is also unwise: we shouldn't shoehorn new
> functionality into existing commands just because we can. We should ask
> ourselves questions like these:
>
> * Is the extended command still a sane interface? If writing clear
> documentation for it is hard, it perhaps isn't. Pay special attention
> to failure modes. Overloaded arguments are prone to confusing errors.
It has never been a sane interface in the first place (identifying a
backing file node by its filename).
We ended up having two versions of all block job commands anyway (one
that creates an image file, and later one that just takes a node-name of
an existing node), except for image streaming so far. So it would be
consistent (and enable consistent naming for the preferred commands) to
have it here, too.
> * How will the command's users use the extension? If it requires new
> code paths, a new command may be more convenient for them.
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-10-12 9:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-10-06 13:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 00/16] Support streaming to an intermediate layer Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 01/16] block: Pause all jobs during bdrv_reopen_multiple() Alberto Garcia
2016-10-10 15:37 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-10 16:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-11 9:39 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-11 9:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-11 11:07 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 02/16] block: Add block_job_add_bdrv() Alberto Garcia
2016-10-10 15:46 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 03/16] block: Use block_job_add_bdrv() in mirror_start_job() Alberto Garcia
2016-10-10 16:03 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-11 8:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-10-11 13:46 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-11 14:01 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 04/16] block: Use block_job_add_bdrv() in backup_start() Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 13:47 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-12 13:57 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 05/16] block: Check blockers in all nodes involved in a block-commit job Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 13:47 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 06/16] block: Block all nodes involved in the block-commit operation Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 13:54 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 07/16] block: Block all intermediate nodes in commit_active_start() Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 14:06 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 08/16] block: Support streaming to an intermediate layer Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 14:23 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-12 14:33 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 14:45 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 09/16] block: Add QMP support for " Alberto Garcia
2016-10-10 19:09 ` Eric Blake
2016-10-11 14:30 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-11 14:57 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-11 15:53 ` Eric Blake
2016-10-11 16:50 ` Markus Armbruster
2016-10-12 9:11 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2016-10-12 9:25 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-11 16:32 ` Markus Armbruster
2016-10-12 9:28 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 12:17 ` Markus Armbruster
2016-10-12 14:30 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-12 14:48 ` Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 10/16] docs: Document how to stream " Alberto Garcia
2016-10-12 14:39 ` Kevin Wolf
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 11/16] qemu-iotests: Test streaming " Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 12/16] qemu-iotests: Test block-stream operations in parallel Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 13/16] qemu-iotests: Test overlapping stream and commit operations Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 14/16] qemu-iotests: Test block-stream and block-commit in parallel Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 15/16] qemu-iotests: Add iotests.supports_quorum() Alberto Garcia
2016-10-06 13:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v10 16/16] qemu-iotests: Test streaming to a Quorum child Alberto Garcia
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