From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Robert Olsson <robert@herjulf.se>,
Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH 3/3] qdisc: catch misconfig of attaching qdisc to tx_queue_len zero device
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:09:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161104130908.1ebcaa30@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161104105913.GN5640@orbyte.nwl.cc>
On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 11:59:13 +0100
Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 11:10:42AM +0100, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:35:26 +0100 Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 02:56:11PM +0100, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > diff --git a/net/sched/sch_api.c b/net/sched/sch_api.c
> > > > index 206dc24add3a..f337f1bdd1d4 100644
> > > > --- a/net/sched/sch_api.c
> > > > +++ b/net/sched/sch_api.c
> > > > @@ -960,6 +960,17 @@ static struct Qdisc *qdisc_create(struct net_device *dev,
> > > >
> > > > sch->handle = handle;
> > > >
> > > > + /* This exist to keep backward compatible with a userspace
> > > > + * loophole, what allowed userspace to get IFF_NO_QUEUE
> > > > + * facility on older kernels by setting tx_queue_len=0 (prior
> > > > + * to qdisc init), and then forgot to reinit tx_queue_len
> > > > + * before again attaching a qdisc.
> > > > + */
> > > > + if ((dev->priv_flags & IFF_NO_QUEUE) && (dev->tx_queue_len == 0)) {
> > > > + dev->tx_queue_len = DEFAULT_TX_QUEUE_LEN;
> > > > + netdev_info(dev, "Caught tx_queue_len zero misconfig\n");
> > > > + }
> > >
> > > I wonder why this is limited to IFF_NO_QUEUE devices. Do you think there
> > > is a valid use case for physical ones?
> >
> > Hmmm, I cannot come up with a useful use-case for physical devices, but
> > I cannot see why we should save users that had used the loophole on
> > physical devices, as that is clearly a faulty config to begin with.
> > See net_crit_ratelimited warning here:
> > [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v4.9-rc3/net/core/dev.c#L3403
>
> I really feel like nit-picking again,
Perhaps a follow up patch is better? This patch does solve a real
issue.
> but what differs in between
> loophole users of virtual devices (whose broken scripts stopped working)
> and loophole users of physical devices (whose broken scripts stopped
> working as well)?
There is a difference. We basically closed the loophole config, but
fixed that qdisc can be attached to virtual (IFF_NO_QUEUE) devices,
without needing to adjusting tx_queue_len.
Thus, running a loophole-script have no-effect, but for IFF_NO_QUEUE
devices (veth specifically) it looks like it had the desired effect,
thus Docker will/can keep doing that, to work with older kernels, and
on newer kernels it just doesn't have any effect.
The remaining problem is that a "loophole-script" leaves the interface
in a broken state with tx_queue_len==0. Which this patch address.
So, why only catch misconfig for IFF_NO_QUEUE devices? Because a
loophole-script on veth brought it into a valid config, thus valid
use-case, while one a physical into a invalid config (hence the
critical warn[1]).
You could (in a followup patch, please) argue that it is a lot simpler,
just to always catch the misconfig of having tx_queue_len==0 when
attaching a qdisc.
--
Best regards,
Jesper Dangaard Brouer
MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
Author of http://www.iptv-analyzer.org
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-11-04 12:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-03 13:55 [net-next PATCH 0/3] qdisc and tx_queue_len cleanups for IFF_NO_QUEUE devices Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-03 13:56 ` [net-next PATCH 1/3] net: make default TX queue length a defined constant Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-03 13:56 ` [net-next PATCH 2/3] net/qdisc: IFF_NO_QUEUE drivers should use consistent TX queue len Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-03 20:54 ` Krister Johansen
2016-11-04 10:56 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-03 13:56 ` [net-next PATCH 3/3] qdisc: catch misconfig of attaching qdisc to tx_queue_len zero device Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-04 9:35 ` Phil Sutter
2016-11-04 10:10 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-04 10:59 ` Phil Sutter
2016-11-04 12:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2016-11-04 12:53 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2016-11-08 6:14 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2016-11-08 7:46 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-07 18:13 ` [net-next PATCH 0/3] qdisc and tx_queue_len cleanups for IFF_NO_QUEUE devices David Miller
2016-11-07 20:11 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-11-08 1:16 ` David Miller
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