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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
Cc: trousers-tech-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	tpmdd-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	ibmtpm20tss-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	openssl-dev-MCmKBN63+BlAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [TrouSerS-tech] [PATCH 1/1] add TPM2 version of create_tpm2_key and libtpm2.so engine
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 16:40:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170103234053.GA32185@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1483485776.2464.50.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 03:22:56PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > I think it is very important to natively support the sign-only key
> > usage restriction. TPM1.2 goes so far as to declare keys that can be
> > used for arbitary decrypt as 'legacy do not use'.
> > 
> > IMHO the best way to do this is to look at the sign operation openssl
> > is trying to do and see if it can be sent down the sign path to the
> > TPM. Only if that fails should the decrypt path be used.
> 
> The problem is the MD5-SHA1 signature of SSL and TLS < v1.2.   This
> cannot be performed by the TPM because it's not listed as a supported
> signature, so the choice is either to deprecate these protocols (not
> really viable since they're in wide use in old websites) or use decrypt
> to do the signatures.  Once we get to the point of having to use
> decrypt, there's no reason to preserve the signing distinction since we
> never know when a key will be used to decrypt or sign.

I'm not disputing your analysis, just remarking that it seem very
undesirable to ban *all* sign-only keys just to support a single
legacy SSL configuration.

This is why I suggest looking at the sign being requested and using
the sign path if it is *possible*, otherwise requiring a key with the
broader key usage.

Not everything is SSL - openssh uses these routines too and it should
be able to use the sign only key type without a limitation?

Jason

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-03 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-31 22:48 [PATCH 0/1] TPM2 engine support for openssl James Bottomley
2016-12-31 22:52 ` [PATCH 1/1] add TPM2 version of create_tpm2_key and libtpm2.so engine James Bottomley
2017-01-03 23:11   ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20170103231126.GE29656-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 23:19       ` Andrey Pronin
2017-01-03 23:22       ` [TrouSerS-tech] " James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1483485776.2464.50.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-03 23:40           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20170103234053.GA32185-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04  0:17               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                 ` <1483489026.2464.76.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04  0:42                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170104004217.GA390-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:48                       ` add TPM2 version of create_tpm2_key and libtpm2.so engine -> Hash algoritms Kenneth Goldman
     [not found]                         ` <OF69E51003.6475FD35-ON8525809E.00669529-8525809E.0067575C-8eTO7WVQ4XIsd+ienQ86orlN3bxYEBpz@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:54                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 19:45                             ` [Ibmtpm20tss-users] [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
     [not found]                               ` <1483559121.2561.67.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 20:58                                 ` [Ibmtpm20tss-users] " Kenneth Goldman
     [not found]                             ` <20170104185434.GA12614-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 20:55                               ` Kenneth Goldman
2017-01-04 12:25             ` [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH 1/1] add TPM2 version of create_tpm2_key and libtpm2.so engine Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 18:05           ` [Ibmtpm20tss-users] [TrouSerS-tech] " Kenneth Goldman
2017-01-10 19:38         ` Ken Goldman

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