From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: greg@enjellic.com, tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
Ken Goldman <kgoldman@us.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:05:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170110200558.GA5102@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170109231635.6wh25qoy7svcnys6@intel.com>
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 01:16:35AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 10:12:41AM -0600, Dr. Greg Wettstein wrote:
> > The kernel needs a resource manager. Everyone needs to think VERY
> > hard and VERY, VERY carefully about what gets put into the kernel. In
> > making a decision, put the ABSOLUTE smallest amount of code into the
> > kernel which allows various 'TPM2 personalities' to be implemented in
> > userspace and functionally verified and protected by the physical
> > instance. The emergence of commodity TEE's (SGX, et.al) should be in
> > the back of everyone's mind as a factor in the roadmap.
>
> Here's my cuts for the kernel:
>
> - Kernel virtualizes handle areas. It's mechanical.
> - Kernel does not virtualize bodies. It's not mechanical.
> - At least the first version of the RM will not do other than session
> isolation for sessions.
>
> This keeps the core for RM inside the kernel small and tight.
I think this makes sense.
In addition the kernel should only permit RM operations that are known
to be 100% correct with the RM.
I think you should stick with your original design basic design,
except instead of using an ioctl to switch modes, use an ioctl to
execute the operation:
struct tpm_ioctl_operation {
u16 mode; // == TPM1_RAW,TPM2_RAW,TPM1_RM,TPM2_RM
u16 locality;
u32 txlen;
u32 rxlen;
const void *txbuf;
void *rxbuf;
};
The userspace broker would be expected to use a mixture of RM and RAW
operations.
Let's deal with the idea of another cdev some other day when someone
can figure out a comprehensive way to do that securely for unpriv..
Jason
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[not found] <kgoldman@us.ibm.com>
2017-01-04 16:12 ` [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager Dr. Greg Wettstein
2017-01-04 16:12 ` Dr. Greg Wettstein
[not found] ` <201701041612.v04GCfPK031525-DHO+NtfOqB5PEDpkEIzg7wC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-04 18:37 ` Kenneth Goldman
2017-01-09 23:16 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 19:29 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-10 19:29 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-11 11:36 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 20:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
[not found] ` <20170110200558.GA5102-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 10:00 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-11 10:00 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Andreas Fuchs
[not found] ` <ee6c1e48-e21f-d05e-0939-473001224aba-iXjGqz/onsDSyEMIgutvibNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 15:59 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-11 18:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:03 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20170111180328.GB22783-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 18:27 ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-11 18:27 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Stefan Berger
2017-01-11 19:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 11:34 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 11:34 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
[not found] ` <20170111113416.4h6ucm5y3hjjnfhv-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 15:39 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 15:39 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1484149193.2509.12.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-11 17:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 17:56 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:25 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 19:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-02 13:22 Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 16:36 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-02 19:33 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:40 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 5:26 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 13:41 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:14 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:36 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:14 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:34 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 21:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:58 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 16:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 5:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-04 13:00 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 13:51 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:36 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:21 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 23:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 0:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 0:29 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 0:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:50 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 14:53 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 18:57 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 19:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:03 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 15:52 ` Fuchs, Andreas
2017-01-05 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 18:06 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06 8:43 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-05 18:33 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 19:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 19:55 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 22:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 22:58 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 23:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 0:36 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06 8:59 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-06 19:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 19:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-09 22:39 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 10:03 ` Andreas Fuchs
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