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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jasowang@redhat.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, john.fastabend@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] virtio_net: fix PAGE_SIZE > 64k
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:45:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170124221114-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170124.150959.1708982899683381291.davem@davemloft.net>

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 03:09:59PM -0500, David Miller wrote:
> From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:53:13 +0200
> 
> > I didn't realise. Why can't we? I thought that adjust_header is an
> > optional feature that userspace can test for, so no rush.
> 
> No, we want the base set of XDP features to be present in all drivers
> supporting XDP.

I see, I didn't realize this. In light of this, is there any
guidance *how much* head room is required to be considered
valid? We already have 12 bytes of headroom.


I'm generally sorry it's taking long, a large part of that is difficulty
figuring out the requirements: when we discussed this on LPC my
take-away was that one of the first users will be fighting DDOS attacks.

In light of this, I assumed that
- supporting just DROP (or DROP+TX) would already be useful
- XDP_PASS shouldn't be too slow as some people will run all
  their traffic with XDP enabled
- people actually want this in virtio because they run in a vm

Since then I heard opinions that seem to imply that
- you must support all features, not just DROP, otherwise it's useless
- XDP_PASS is a slow path fallback as people are not expected to mix XDP
  with regular sockets
- DDOS protection and by extension XDP in virtio is a developer's toy anyway

Thus, expect some slowness while I figure it all out.

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-24 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-23 19:37 [PATCH v2] virtio_net: fix PAGE_SIZE > 64k Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-23 19:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 19:42 ` David Miller
2017-01-24 19:42   ` David Miller
2017-01-24 19:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 19:53     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 20:09     ` David Miller
2017-01-24 20:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 20:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2017-01-24 20:53         ` David Miller
2017-01-24 20:53           ` David Miller
2017-01-24 21:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 21:07             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 21:10             ` David Miller
2017-01-24 21:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-24 21:56                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-25  3:48                 ` John Fastabend
2017-01-25  3:48                   ` John Fastabend
2017-01-24 21:10             ` David Miller
2017-01-24 20:09     ` David Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-01-25  4:07 Alexei Starovoitov
2017-01-25  4:07 Alexei Starovoitov
2017-01-25 14:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-01-25 14:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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