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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Matthew Giassa <matthew@giassa.net>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>, KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Introduction + new project: "rootkit detection using virtualization".
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:41:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170213084115.GA16815@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1486777021.2096.36.camel@redhat.com>

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 08:37:01PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> One of the things that Matthew can do is build on
> the read-only memory protections in the kernel, and
> have the hypervisor enforce that the memory the kernel
> marks as read-only is never written from inside the
> virtual machine, until the next reboot.
> 
> That seems like it might be a useful place to start,
> since it would immediately make the other read-only
> protections that people are working on much harder to
> get around, at least inside virtual machines.

I agree that this is valuable, but it feels like doing so probably 
involves designing a consistent mechanism for lightweight 
kernel→hypervisor calls - the existing vfio framework seems heavier than 
necessary for this kind of thing. Going further probably involves having 
a good way for syscalls to call into the hypervisor, but again finding a 
generic solution that doesn't add too much overhead seems like a good 
plan. My implementation of this was very special cased and didn't 
attempt to do anything in a generic way, so I'm definitely not a good 
model!

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

      reply	other threads:[~2017-02-13  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-10 22:00 [kernel-hardening] Introduction + new project: "rootkit detection using virtualization" Matthew Giassa
2017-02-10 22:00 ` Matthew Giassa
2017-02-10 23:14 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jidong Xiao
2017-02-10 23:14   ` Jidong Xiao
2017-02-10 23:18 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jidong Xiao
2017-02-10 23:18   ` Jidong Xiao
2017-02-11  3:21   ` [kernel-hardening] " Matthew Giassa
2017-02-11  3:21     ` Matthew Giassa
2017-02-11  3:43     ` [kernel-hardening] " Jidong Xiao
2017-02-11  3:43       ` Jidong Xiao
2017-02-14 18:06       ` [kernel-hardening] " Matthew Giassa
2017-02-14 18:06         ` Matthew Giassa
2017-02-14 21:25         ` [kernel-hardening] " Steve Rutherford
2017-02-14 21:25           ` Steve Rutherford
2017-02-15  3:31           ` [kernel-hardening] " Matthew Giassa
2017-02-15  3:31             ` Matthew Giassa
2017-02-16  6:31             ` [kernel-hardening] " Grandhi, Sainath
2017-02-16  6:31               ` Grandhi, Sainath
2017-02-17  1:16               ` [kernel-hardening] " Matthew Giassa
2017-02-17  1:16                 ` Matthew Giassa
2017-02-10 23:27 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-02-10 23:31   ` Kees Cook
2017-02-11  1:37   ` Rik van Riel
2017-02-13  8:41     ` Matthew Garrett [this message]

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