From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.mentorg.com (relay1.mentorg.com [192.94.38.131]) by mail.openembedded.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E34877342 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-orw-fem-04.mgc.mentorg.com ([147.34.97.41]) by relay1.mentorg.com with esmtp id 1cenGU-0005pB-78 from Joe_MacDonald@mentor.com for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:28:18 -0800 Received: from burninator (147.34.91.1) by svr-orw-fem-04.mgc.mentorg.com (147.34.97.41) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.224.2; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:28:17 -0800 Received: by burninator (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27C47580D09; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:28:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:28:17 -0500 From: Joe MacDonald To: Message-ID: <20170217182816.GD8436@mentor.com> References: <20170217180254.GA3276@jama> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170217180254.GA3276@jama> X-URL: http://github.com/joeythesaint/joe-s-common-environment/tree/master X-Configuration: git://github.com/joeythesaint/joe-s-common-environment.git X-Editor: Vim-704 http://www.vim.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: Splitting meta-oe? X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:28:18 -0000 X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 65291 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ffoCPvUAPMgSXi6H" Content-Disposition: inline --ffoCPvUAPMgSXi6H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Re: [oe] Splitting meta-oe?] On 17.02.17 (Fri 19:02) Martin Jansa wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 06:24:09PM +0100, Andreas M=FCller wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Burton, Ross w= rote: > > > The recent storm of breakage in meta-oe caused by recipe specific sys= roots > > > was quite dramatic: > > > > > > ross@flashheart ~/Yocto/meta-oe ((044e518...)) > > > $ git grep PNBLACKLIST| wc -l > > > 320 > > > > > > Is it time to talk about splitting meta-oe into smaller real reposito= ries > > > so they can be maintained at their own pace by more maintainers? > > > > > > Ross > > What exactly gets better by splitting? >=20 > I agree with Andreas. And I agree with both of you. > 1) RSS is good thing. >=20 > 2) The breakage wasn't caused by lack of maintainers (at least I don't > think that I or Joe were the bottleneck for integrating the fixes). My schedule is highly variable but I do try to be responsive to breakages and I do my best to watch and digest the state of the world messages, those are extremely valuable IMO. > 3) More maintainers doesn't mean more contributions from people actually > using now broken components, it's actually easier to just send a fix > than to be a maintainer of some layer just to be able to also merge > your fix yourself. >=20 > 4) It doesn't look so dramatic if it turns out that 200 of those > blacklisted recipes weren't actually used by anyone still active in > OE ecosystem. Agreed. And if those blacklisted recipes are something that someone in the ecosystem cares about, they really should be sending fixes back upstream. Breaking meta-oe up into smaller parts doesn't seem likely to make them more likely to send patches, AFAICT. Probably won't make them less-so, either, but I don't see changing the structure to be a significant win. And do note that when we first created meta-networking I was proposing it be separate from meta-oe, I'm now completely on the other side of that argument, for what that's worth. > 5) If someone wants to replace me as meta-oe maintainer, go ahead, it > stopped being fun for me long time ago, now it's just slightly annoying > routine which takes my free time I would rather invest in something > cooler I frankly think that'd be a loss for everyone, but it's understandable. That's a big, largely thankless job you've taken on. Obviously I can't offer to take on more of the job than I already have with meta-networking or I would, but maybe someone else with a similarly "big picture" view will be able to share some of the workload. -J. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > > Splitting =3D Rotting to death due to unmanageable maintenance burden > > caused by oe? Don't misunderstand me recipe specific sysroot is > > basically a good thing. But I am tired of this game. As you can see in > > meta-qt5-extra: I am interested in having cool images not in a cool > > build system. Long live core-image-sato! > >=20 > > Andreas > > --=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Openembedded-devel mailing list > > Openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org > > http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-devel >=20 > --=20 > Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: Martin.Jansa@gmail.com --=20 -Joe MacDonald. :wq --ffoCPvUAPMgSXi6H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYp0DAAAoJEEn8ffcsOfaWfm0H/RMHt3j1I5lYuP0cUQR4sEIa VBrsL8YSlMTxcGVPsxPpLBHQ7vUj+X7TCHjimypUSkU+k3diaPRwTE2ujW8eYKpB wusJwZ+hYJJDeg1loxcDUhPNhhGb8ooLZcLOzT9qzjI7sLq303X7PVlr8vxGZ4wP x81wG1ZKVzKpXm+hpZplS0Hf4BJu3Mx8JrF1TswZMWxqkDLQwUqChf32Sia4mNtr YhoZSVT7QfgN3eoEdIAolirCtquNXTTTtC4R27+5x9G+LlkX6jVZT7/tH9tbzJu7 beafGo0Br8GwgdexDIN9q3yWtPfuB0mJVx5DB274Y7dcuCO5pwNbG49W6vQQBJg= =RmGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ffoCPvUAPMgSXi6H--