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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Gabriel Paubert <paubert@iram.es>
Cc: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] powerpc: Avoid panic during boot due to divide by zero in init_cache_info()
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 08:17:36 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170306141735.GR31469@gate.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170306120319.GA17443@visitor2.iram.es>

On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 01:03:19PM +0100, Gabriel Paubert wrote:
> > > > The PowerPC divw etc. instructions do not trap by themselves, but recent
> > > > GCC inserts trap instructions on code paths that are always undefined
> > > > behaviour (like, dividing by zero).
> > > 
> > > Is it systematic or does it depend from, e.g., optimization levels?
> > 
> > In this case it needs -fisolate-erroneous-paths-dereference which is
> > default at -O2 and higher.
> 
> Great, another optimization-dependent behaviour. :-(

It makes the "behaviour" for undefined behaviour *less* surprising.
It does not change anything else: malformed programs stay malformed,
correct programs do exactly what they did before, too.

> But this is not the most serious issue: on PPC, when you #include
> <limits>, the numeric_limits<any_integer_type>::traps is false on PPC,
> and on no other architecture that I know of (in practice this trap
> reflects the hardware behaviour on division by zero).
> 
> By generating a trap in this case, I believe that the compiler violates
> a contract given by <limits>, and the standard.

[ snip ]

I have no idea why you are bringing C++ into this.  Please open a PR
if you think there is a bug in the C++ library.

I'll note that this cannot violate the standard, see the "terms and
definitions":

[defns.undefined]
undefined behavior
behavior for which this International Standard imposes no requirements


Segher

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-06 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-04 23:54 [PATCH] powerpc: Avoid panic during boot due to divide by zero in init_cache_info() Anton Blanchard
2017-03-05  0:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-03-05  0:27   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-03-05 10:26 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-03-05 12:37   ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-03-05 16:58     ` Gabriel Paubert
2017-03-05 17:24       ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-03-05 23:09         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-03-06  0:10           ` Segher Boessenkool
2017-03-06  0:20             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-03-06 12:03         ` Gabriel Paubert
2017-03-06 14:17           ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2017-03-06 15:18             ` David Laight
2017-03-05 10:36 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-03-08  7:25 ` Michael Ellerman

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