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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2 V2] xfs: toggle readonly state around xfs_log_mount_finish
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:38:35 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170318073835.GZ17542@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <900524f8-4f2d-17e7-31a8-ecde486acc50@sandeen.net>

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:52:43PM -0700, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> On 3/16/17 4:42 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:15:00PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 07:36:29AM -0400, Brian Foster wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 06:23:57PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> >>>> When we do log recovery on a readonly mount, unlinked inode
> >>>> processing does not happen due to the readonly checks in
> >>>> xfs_inactive(), which are trying to prevent any I/O on a
> >>>> readonly mount.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is misguided - we do I/O on readonly mounts all the time,
> >>>> for consistency; for example, log recovery.  So do the same
> >>>> RDONLY flag twiddling around xfs_log_mount_finish() as we
> >>>> do around xfs_log_mount(), for the same reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> This all cries out for a big rework but for now this is a
> >>>> simple fix to an obvious problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Both patches look ok, so I'll put them on the test queue for -rc4.
> >> Reviewed-by: Darrick J. Wong <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
> > 
> > FWIW, I don't think this is a -rc candidate. Making log recovery
> > process unlinked inode transactions on read-only mounts is a pretty
> > major change in behaviour. Who knows exactly what dragons are
> > lurking at lower layers that have never been run in this context
> > until now.
> > 
> > Also, it's not urgent - we've lived with this behaviour for years -
> > so waiting a month for the next merge window is not going to hurt
> > anyone and it gives us a chance to test it - XFS developers are the
> > people who should be burnt by the lurking dragons, not users who
> > updated to a late -rcX kernel....
> 
> To shield Darrick a bit ;) I was agitating/asking for sooner, but
> admittedly that was a little bit selfish on my part.
> 
> Still, we have had field reports of people with /gigabytes/ missing
> from the root filesystem, and it was not fixable without an 
> xfs_repair.  Which on a root filesystem is ... special.

That's information that should be in the commit message....

> So, my fault for getting it sent late, for sure - but I do think it's
> an important fix.  I know we can't really address the "unknown unknown"
> dragons easily, but actually completing recovery on RO mounts seems
> straightforward to me... we allow half of recovery to go, and
> disallow the other half.  Seems plainly broken.

I still don't think that makes it an urgent, immediate -rcX fix.  It
definitely makes it a fix that should go to stable kernels, but that
does not mean we should short-cut our integrationa nd testing
processes. If anything, it makes it far more important to ensure the
change is safe and well tested, because it's going to be distributed
to /everyone/ in the near future through the stable update process,
distros included.

As I've already said: rushing fixes upstream without adequate test
time is almost always the wrong thing to do. Call me conservative,
but I have plenty of scars to justify being careful about pushing
fixes too quickly.

I'm more worried about the impact on the unknown number of read-only
filesystems out there across the entire userbase that have the
potential to process inodes that have been sitting orphaned for
years than I am about the few recent users who have had to run
xfs-repair on their root filesystem to fix this up due to the nature
of ro->rw transition in root filesystem mounting.  Let's make really
sure everything is OK before we expose it to all our users running
stable/distro kernels....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-18  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-09 19:40 [PATCH 0/2] xfs: readonly handling changes Eric Sandeen
2017-03-09 20:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] xfs: write unmount record for ro mounts Eric Sandeen
2017-03-15 15:18   ` Brian Foster
2017-03-09 20:24 ` [PATCH 2/2] xfs: remove readonly checks from xfs_release & xfs_inactive Eric Sandeen
2017-03-09 20:39   ` Eric Sandeen
2017-03-13 13:23     ` Brian Foster
2017-03-13 22:16       ` Eric Sandeen
2017-03-14 11:35         ` Brian Foster
2017-03-14 23:23   ` [PATCH 2/2 V2] xfs: toggle readonly state around xfs_log_mount_finish Eric Sandeen
2017-03-15 11:36     ` Brian Foster
2017-03-16 19:15       ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-03-16 23:42         ` Dave Chinner
2017-03-16 23:52           ` Eric Sandeen
2017-03-18  7:38             ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2017-03-27 17:16               ` Darrick J. Wong
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-07-21 15:10 [PATCH 0/2 resend] xfs: readonly handling changes Eric Sandeen
2017-07-21 15:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] xfs: toggle readonly state around xfs_log_mount_finish Eric Sandeen
2017-08-11 19:45   ` [PATCH 2/2 V2] " Eric Sandeen
2017-08-11 19:47     ` Darrick J. Wong

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