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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>, Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 14:08:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170508210838.GF3956@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170508205143.a3wsxefs4lcxityl@treble>

On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 03:51:43PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 03:43:33PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 01:15:58PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:47:29PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 03:13:22PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > 
> > > [ . . . ]
> > > 
> > > > > If rcu is not watching, calling rcu_enter_irq() will have it watch
> > > > > again. Even in NMI context I believe.
> > > > 
> > > > What if you get an NMI while running in rcu_dynticks_eqs_enter() before
> > > > it increments rdtp->dynticks?  Will rcu_enter_irq() still work from the
> > >                                       rcu_irq_enter()
> > > > NMI?
> > > 
> > > The rcu_nmi_enter() function willl notice that RCU is not watching, and
> > > will therefore atomically increment RCU's dynticks-idle counter, which
> > > will be atomically incremented again upon return.  Since the bottom bit
> > > of this counter controls whether or not RCU is watching, RCU will be
> > > watching during the NMI, will stop watching upon return from the NMI,
> > > which restores state so as to allow rcu_irq_enter() to cause RCU to once
> > > again watch.  (NMI algorithm due to Andy Lutomirski.)
> > > 
> > > > I'm just trying to understand what are the cases where rcu_enter_irq()
> > > > *doesn't* work from an ftrace handler.
> > > 
> > > It doesn't work from an NMI handler.  Aside from possible architecture
> > > specific special cases, it should work everywhere else.
> > 
> > Ok, so just to clarify.  Is there a bug in the ftrace stack tracer in
> > the following situation?
> > 
> > 1. RCU isn't watching
> > 2. An NMI hits
> > 3. ist_enter() calls into the ftrace stack tracer, before
> >    rcu_nmi_enter() is called, so RCU isn't watching yet
> > 4. The ftrace stack tracer calls rcu_irq_enter(), which has no effect,
> >    so RCU still isn't watching
> > 5. Hilarity ensues in the ftrace stack tracer
> 
> Hm, technically, ist_enter() is for exceptions other than NMI, so the
> question itself is buggy.  I suppose the scenario is still possible if
> you replace NMI with a debug exception or a double fault.

There are some exceptions on some architectures that look to RCU just
like NMIs, which is why RCU has to handle nested NMIs.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-08 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-04 10:55 [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 1/3] livepatch/rcu: Guarantee consistency when patching idle kthreads Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code Petr Mladek
2017-05-08 16:51   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 19:13     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 19:47       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:15         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 20:43           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:51             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:08               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-05-08 21:07             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:18               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 21:30                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 22:16               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 22:36                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-09 16:18                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09 16:36                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 16:04                     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-10 16:45                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 17:58                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:40                         ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 15:03                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 20:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-11 12:50           ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 13:52       ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-11 14:50         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-11 15:27         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:44     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] livepatch/rcu: Disable livepatch removal when safety is not guaranteed Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 16:55 ` [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Paul E. McKenney

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