From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from v1.tansi.org (mail.tansi.org [84.19.178.47]) by mail.server123.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 20:35:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gatewagner.dyndns.org (77-56-144-126.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.56.144.126]) by v1.tansi.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F1A0A1400FD for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 20:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 20:35:17 +0200 From: Arno Wagner Message-ID: <20170616183517.GA9583@tansi.org> References: <20170614234040.4326-1-mhalcrow@google.com> <0b268ff7-5fc8-c85f-a530-82e9844f0400@gmail.com> <20170615172450.GA27384@google.com> <20170616125511.GA11824@yeono.kjorling.se> <20170616143136.GA6852@tansi.org> <20170616144715.GC11824@yeono.kjorling.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20170616144715.GC11824@yeono.kjorling.se> Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] [RFC PATCH 0/4] Allow file systems to selectively bypass dm-crypt List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: dm-crypt@saout.de On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 16:47:15 CEST, Michael Kj=F6rling wrote: > On 16 Jun 2017 16:31 +0200, from arno@wagner.name (Arno Wagner): [...] > And of course, for those who use FDE to facilitate storage device > decommissioning (just throw away the key and the data is effectively > unreadable), the _knowledge_ that _all_ data that touches the storage > device is encrypted before it does might even be the whole _point_ of > using FDE. That may actually be critical in an enterprise-scenario.=20 As in "do not use anything that does not have this property", enforced by a policy.=20 > But I'm preaching to the choir, here. Or at least I hope I am. You are. I think this whole thing is just another instance of some crypto-novices to "improve" things. They usually do not=20 understand what the crypto actually assures and how easily that=20 can be broken. The only thing to do is (once again) explain why this is a bad idea. Regards, Arno =20 --=20 Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., Email: arno@wagner.name GnuPG: ID: CB5D9718 FP: 12D6 C03B 1B30 33BB 13CF B774 E35C 5FA1 CB5D 9718 ---- A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. -- Plato If it's in the news, don't worry about it. The very definition of=20 "news" is "something that hardly ever happens." -- Bruce Schneier