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From: serge@hallyn.com (Serge E. Hallyn)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:36:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170622233619.GC2894@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1498174161.7636.4.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

Quoting James Bottomley (James.Bottomley at HansenPartnership.com):
> On Thu, 2017-06-22 at 14:59 -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
> > This series of patches primary goal is to enable file capabilities
> > in user namespaces without affecting the file capabilities that are
> > effective on the host. This is to prevent that any unprivileged user
> > on the host maps his own uid to root in a private namespace, writes
> > the xattr, and executes the file with privilege on the host.
> > 
> > We achieve this goal by writing extended attributes with a different
> > name when a user namespace is used. If for example the root user
> > in a user namespace writes the security.capability xattr, the name
> > of the xattr that is actually written is encoded as
> > security.capability at uid=1000 for root mapped to uid 1000 on the host.
> > When listing the xattrs on the host, the existing security.capability
> > as well as the security.capability at uid=1000 will be shown. Inside the
> > namespace only 'security.capability', with the value of
> > security.capability at uid=1000, is visible.
> 
> I'm a bit bothered by the @uid=1000 suffix.  What if I want to use this
> capability but am dynamically mapping the namespaces (i.e. I know I
> want unprivileged root, but I'm going to dynamically select the range
> to map based on what's currently available on the orchestration
> system).  If we stick with the @uid=X suffix, then dynamic mapping
> won't work because X is potentially different each time and there'll be
> a name mismatch in my xattrs.  Why not just make the suffix @uid, which
> means if root is mapped to any unprivileged uid then we pick this up
> otherwise we go with the unsuffixed property?
> 
> As far as I can see there's no real advantage to discriminating userns
> specific xattrs based on where root is mapped to, unless there's a use
> case I'm missing?

Yes, the use case is: to allow root in the container to set the
privilege itself, without endangering any resources not owned by
that root.  If you're going to have a root owned host-wide
orchestration system setting up the rootfs, then you don't
necessary need this at all.

As you say a @uid to say "any unprivileged userns" might be useful.
The implication is that root on the host doesn't trust the image
enough to write a real global file capability, but trusts it enough
to 'endanger' all containers on the host.  If that's the case, I have
no objection to adding this as a feature.
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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	lkp@01.org, xiaolong.ye@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, serge@hallyn.com, tycho@docker.com,
	christian.brauner@mailbox.org, vgoyal@redhat.com,
	amir73il@gmail.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:36:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170622233619.GC2894@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1498174161.7636.4.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

Quoting James Bottomley (James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com):
> On Thu, 2017-06-22 at 14:59 -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
> > This series of patches primary goal is to enable file capabilities
> > in user namespaces without affecting the file capabilities that are
> > effective on the host. This is to prevent that any unprivileged user
> > on the host maps his own uid to root in a private namespace, writes
> > the xattr, and executes the file with privilege on the host.
> > 
> > We achieve this goal by writing extended attributes with a different
> > name when a user namespace is used. If for example the root user
> > in a user namespace writes the security.capability xattr, the name
> > of the xattr that is actually written is encoded as
> > security.capability@uid=1000 for root mapped to uid 1000 on the host.
> > When listing the xattrs on the host, the existing security.capability
> > as well as the security.capability@uid=1000 will be shown. Inside the
> > namespace only 'security.capability', with the value of
> > security.capability@uid=1000, is visible.
> 
> I'm a bit bothered by the @uid=1000 suffix.  What if I want to use this
> capability but am dynamically mapping the namespaces (i.e. I know I
> want unprivileged root, but I'm going to dynamically select the range
> to map based on what's currently available on the orchestration
> system).  If we stick with the @uid=X suffix, then dynamic mapping
> won't work because X is potentially different each time and there'll be
> a name mismatch in my xattrs.  Why not just make the suffix @uid, which
> means if root is mapped to any unprivileged uid then we pick this up
> otherwise we go with the unsuffixed property?
> 
> As far as I can see there's no real advantage to discriminating userns
> specific xattrs based on where root is mapped to, unless there's a use
> case I'm missing?

Yes, the use case is: to allow root in the container to set the
privilege itself, without endangering any resources not owned by
that root.  If you're going to have a root owned host-wide
orchestration system setting up the rootfs, then you don't
necessary need this at all.

As you say a @uid to say "any unprivileged userns" might be useful.
The implication is that root on the host doesn't trust the image
enough to write a real global file capability, but trusts it enough
to 'endanger' all containers on the host.  If that's the case, I have
no objection to adding this as a feature.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-22 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 180+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-22 18:59 [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59 ` [PATCH 1/3] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-24 21:02   ` [PATCH] xattr: fix kstrdup.cocci warnings kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02   ` [PATCH 1/3] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
     [not found]   ` <1498157989-11814-2-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-24 21:02     ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-24 21:02     ` [PATCH] xattr: fix kstrdup.cocci warnings kbuild test robot
     [not found] ` <1498157989-11814-1-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 18:59   ` [PATCH 1/3] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` [PATCH 2/3] Enable capabilities of files from shared filesystem Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` [PATCH 3/3] Enable security.selinux in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 19:59   ` [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 23:29   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  7:01   ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-23  7:01     ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-23  7:01     ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-23 16:00     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 16:00       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170623160026.GA18257-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 16:16         ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:16           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:16           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:16           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:30           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 16:30             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20170623163030.GA18820-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 16:53               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 17:07               ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23 16:53             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:53               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:53               ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]               ` <ef37880d-6baa-12a6-eab1-bcd0a4e94d53-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:01                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:01               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:01                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:49                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <8760fmh9vc.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:32                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:32                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:32                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20170623170108.GA19354-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:07             ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23 17:07               ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23 17:07               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]               ` <1498237641.3641.15.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:18                 ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                   ` <b57803da-0e8b-594d-901b-12eb509f04b5-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:22                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:20                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:20                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:20                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                   ` <20170623172016.GA19551-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 17:28                     ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                       ` <553a72c4-eda9-52d6-2ae2-f8687c0c7c70-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:30                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-25 12:35                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                           ` <87lgogdz2t.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 13:06                             ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                               ` <f1716e8c-dba8-a051-6bc7-285f13ffcaf0-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 13:28                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <87zicwb3hu.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 13:51                                     ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                                       ` <5bef361a-bc31-f3bc-f513-e728a48f0524-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-25 16:45                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                           ` <20170625164558.GA24471-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-26  6:14                                             ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-06-23 17:38                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 17:38               ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 17:38                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 17:38                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                 ` <d288ea69-adec-f257-30cb-b1d9c57c996b-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:34                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:34                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <aa62373e-7cd6-39dd-2e38-2b6d6dbe18a8-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 16:30             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:08             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 18:08           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 18:08             ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 18:08             ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]             ` <3404c486-c848-3283-50f7-2283cb631e8e-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:35             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <20170623183520.GC21137-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:30                 ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 20:30                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 20:30                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 20:30                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:09                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:09                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:09                   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:09                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                   ` <da083027-fcd4-bc08-2d88-93034ba1cacc-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 23:51                     ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 23:51                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-23 16:00     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28  5:41     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28  5:41     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28  5:41       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170628054138.GA15939-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-28  7:18         ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-28  7:18       ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-28  7:18         ` Amir Goldstein
2017-06-28 14:04         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-28 14:04           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-28 14:04           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]         ` <CAOQ4uxhiSHEXzWN7=g-nmu=ebpv7hkXszW03JZ4UJkcjTeH+oQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-28 14:04           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-28 14:28           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28 14:28           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28 14:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-28 14:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:09   ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:09     ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:09     ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:09     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20170623200956.GB24779-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:17       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:17     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:17       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:36       ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-23 20:36         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20170623203643.GC24779-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:51           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:51         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 20:51           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20170623201723.GA22857-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:36         ` Vivek Goyal
2017-06-22 18:59 ` [PATCH 3/3] Enable security.selinux in user namespaces Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 18:59   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]   ` <1498157989-11814-4-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 20:30     ` Stephen Smalley
2017-06-23 20:30       ` Stephen Smalley
2017-06-23 20:30       ` Stephen Smalley
2017-06-23 20:30       ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]       ` <1498249800.2063.9.camel-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 23:41         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:41           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:41           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-23 23:41           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 19:59 ` [PATCH 0/3] Enable namespaced file capabilities Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 19:59   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 19:59   ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]   ` <70a09f1b-e82c-a25c-9325-d5d757b1b695-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 20:12     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 20:12   ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 20:12     ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 20:12     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]     ` <10fb9c1b-e9af-336c-9a1b-cf95259cfaf3-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 20:33       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 20:33     ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 20:33       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 20:33       ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]       ` <2bf08b3e-27f4-3592-d5e2-a823401ac644-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 21:03         ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:03           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:03           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:03           ` Stefan Berger
2017-06-22 21:09         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 21:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 21:09           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 22:40           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 22:40             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 22:40             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]             ` <45e59e2e-0e00-cb9a-2f85-dc4606338a08-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 23:07               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:07             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:07               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20170622210925.GA32691-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 22:40             ` Casey Schaufler
2017-06-22 23:29 ` James Bottomley
2017-06-22 23:29   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-22 23:29   ` James Bottomley
2017-06-22 23:32   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:32     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:36   ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2017-06-22 23:36     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23  0:13     ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  0:13       ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  0:13       ` James Bottomley
2017-06-23  1:19       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23  1:19         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:37       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-23 17:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <87efuaip08.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23 18:39           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:39         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 18:39           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <1498176787.7636.11.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23  1:19         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-23 17:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <20170622233619.GC2894-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-23  0:13       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]   ` <1498174161.7636.4.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-22 23:32     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-06-22 23:36     ` Serge E. Hallyn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-06-22 18:59 Stefan Berger

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