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From: Gustavo Padovan <gustavo@padovan.org>
To: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	Javier Martinez Canillas <javier@osg.samsung.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuahkh@osg.samsung.com>,
	Gustavo Padovan <gustavo.padovan@collabora.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/12] [media] vb2: add 'ordered' property to queues
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:22:39 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170626152239.GA3090@jade> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1497632193.6020.19.camel@ndufresne.ca>

Hi Nicolas,

2017-06-16 Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>:

> Le vendredi 16 juin 2017 à 16:39 +0900, Gustavo Padovan a écrit :
> > > From: Gustavo Padovan <gustavo.padovan@collabora.com>
> > 
> > For explicit synchronization (and soon for HAL3/Request API) we need
> > the v4l2-driver to guarantee the ordering which the buffer were queued
> > by userspace. This is already true for many drivers, but we never had
> > the need to say it.
> 
> Phrased this way, that sound like a statement that a m2m decoder
> handling b-frame will just never be supported. I think decoders are a
> very important use case for explicit synchronization.
> 
> What I believe happens with decoders is simply that the allocation
> order (the order in which empty buffers are retrieved from the queue)
> will be different then the actual presentation order. Also, multiple
> buffers endup being filled at the same time. Some firmware may inform
> of the new order at the last minute, making indeed the fence useless,
> but these are firmware and the information can be known earlier. Also,
> this information would be known by userspace for the case (up-coming,
> see STM patches and Rockchip comments [0]) or state-less decoder,
> because it is available while parsing the bitstream. For this last
> scenarios, the fact that ordering is not the same should disable the
> fences since userspace can know which fences to wait for first. Those
> drivers would need to set "ordered" to 0, which would be counter
> intuitive.
> 
> I think this use case is too important to just ignore it. I would
> expect that we at least have a todo with something sensible as a plan
> to cover this.

We definitely need to cover these usecases, I sent the patchset in a
hurry just before going on vacation and forget to lay down any plan for
other things. But for now, I believe we need refine the implementation
of the most common case and then look at expanding it.

	Gustavo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-26 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-16  7:39 [PATCH 00/12] V4L2 explicit synchronization support Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 01/12] [media] vb2: add explicit fence user API Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-18 14:09   ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-18 14:58   ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-26 15:39     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-04  5:57       ` Tomasz Figa
2017-07-04  6:27         ` Alexandre Courbot
2017-06-30 11:12   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 02/12] [media] vb2: split out queueing from vb_core_qbuf() Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-30 11:15   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-07-06  7:46   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-07  1:04     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 03/12] [media] vb2: add in-fence support to QBUF Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-18 15:36   ` kbuild test robot
2017-06-30 11:53   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-07-03 18:16     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  9:43       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-07  1:12         ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  8:29   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-07  1:53     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-07  7:15       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-10 19:27         ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  9:18   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-07  2:00     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-07  7:06       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-10 19:02         ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-10 20:26           ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-11  5:57             ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-11 12:56               ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 04/12] [media] uvc: enable subscriptions to other events Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-07 14:38   ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-10 19:38     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-26  0:26       ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 05/12] [media] vivid: assign the specific device to the vb2_queue->dev Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  8:36   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-07 17:15   ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-10 19:42     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-26  0:17     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 06/12] [media] v4l: add V4L2_EVENT_BUF_QUEUED event Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-30 12:00   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 07/12] [media] v4l: add support to BUF_QUEUED event Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-30 12:04   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-07-03 18:36     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  9:34     ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-10 19:45       ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  8:47   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 08/12] [media] vb2: add 'ordered' property to queues Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16 16:56   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2017-06-26 15:22     ` Gustavo Padovan [this message]
2017-07-06  9:08   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 09/12] [media] vivid: mark vivid queues as ordered Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  8:37   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-07 17:31   ` Shuah Khan
2017-07-10 19:47     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 10/12] [media] vb2: add videobuf2 dma-buf fence helpers Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 11/12] [media] vb2: add infrastructure to support out-fences Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-16  7:39 ` [PATCH 12/12] [media] vb2: add out-fence support to QBUF Gustavo Padovan
2017-07-06  9:27   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-06  9:29   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-07-10 20:19     ` Gustavo Padovan
2017-06-30 12:18 ` [PATCH 00/12] V4L2 explicit synchronization support Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-07-03 18:40   ` Gustavo Padovan

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