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From: Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: wake all waiters
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:52:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170627195239.GL18666@tuxbook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170627190853.GX21846@wotan.suse.de>

On Tue 27 Jun 12:08 PDT 2017, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:59:15AM -0700, Bjorn Andersson wrote:
> > On Tue 27 Jun 11:03 PDT 2017, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > [..]
> > > Let's consider a crazy case where the uevent gets triggered, and userspace goes
> > > and signals Elon Musk somehow to transmit the needed firmware from Mars through
> > > a serial satellite link to earth, and somehow someday the device is finally
> > > ready to upload firmware from userspace. Once Elon's firmware lands home, we
> > > know all needed firmware has arrived so anything missing we can acknowledge now
> > > as missing, so we upload what we can and kick firmward into final-mode to tell
> > > the kernel we know we're really ready and any pending things will have to be
> > > given up.
> > > 
> > > This would prove the custom fallback crap was also never needed.
> > > 
> > 
> > Are you saying that each kernel driver should be written so that it will
> > either do direct loading or use firmwared?
> 
> Hell No! You can fork firmwared or use whatever the hell bin-foo you want.
> Even if its proprietary and glued with evil rainbow unicorns on it.  The dual
> mode, best-effort mode and final-mode devices it implemented are key to what
> you want to mimic as an example to achieve the goal in question.
> 

I'm sorry but your language is totally inappropriate and the reason why
I tend to stay away from firmware-related discussions.

> Please give that thought / architecture solution a spin and let me know if
> it suffices for your needs.
> 

Which solution do you refer to here?

But as I said, in my view, the decision of making the kernel depend on a
user space firmware loading mechanism or direct loading should be that
of the system designer - not the kernel.

Regards,
Bjorn

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-27 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-23 23:37 [PATCH] firmware: wake all waiters Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-26 21:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 21:23   ` [PATCH v2] firmware: fix batched requests - " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 15:16     ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 15:17       ` Greg KH
2017-06-29 17:36         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 23:41   ` [PATCH] firmware: " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27  2:10   ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-27 16:39     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 21:25       ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-27 22:24         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 22:39           ` Jakub Kicinski
2017-06-27 23:50             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28  7:06           ` [systemd-devel] " Lennart Poettering
2017-06-28 16:06             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 16:21               ` Lennart Poettering
2017-06-28 17:57                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-29 19:56               ` Daniel Wagner
2017-06-27 17:48     ` Bjorn Andersson
2017-06-27 18:03       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 18:59         ` Bjorn Andersson
2017-06-27 19:08           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-27 19:52             ` Bjorn Andersson [this message]
2017-06-27 20:24               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-26 23:30   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-26 23:43     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-27  0:15       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 13:45         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-28 15:58           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-28 19:03             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 19:08         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-06-29 19:48           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-30 16:32             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2017-07-05 16:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-05 16:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-12 18:45         ` Luis R. Rodriguez

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