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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Provide GP ordering in face of migrations and delays
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 22:15:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171006201537.GZ6524@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171006191822.GI3521@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 12:18:22PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > /me goes and install this herd thing again.. I'm sure I had it running
> > _somewhere_.. A well.
> > 
> > 	C C-PaulEMcKenney-W+RWC4+2017-10-05
> > 
> > 	{
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P0(int *a, int *x)
> > 	{
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*a, 1);
> > 		smp_mb(); /* Lock acquisition for rcu_node ->lock. */
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P1(int *x, int *y)
> > 	{
> > 		r3 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> > 		smp_mb(); /* Lock acquisition for rcu_node ->lock. */
> > 		smp_store_release(y, 1);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P2(int *y, int *b)
> > 	{
> > 		r4 = smp_load_acquire(y);
> > 		r1 = READ_ONCE(*b);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P3(int *b, int *a)
> > 	{
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*b, 1);
> > 		smp_mb();
> > 		r2 = READ_ONCE(*a);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	exists (1:r3=1 /\ 2:r4=1 /\ 2:r1=0 /\ 3:r2=0)
> > 
> > 
> > Is what I was thinking of, I think that is the minimal ordering
> > complete()/wait_for_completion() need to provide.
> 
> OK, I will bite...  What do the smp_store_release() and the
> smp_load_acquire() correspond to?  I see just plain locking in
> wait_for_completion() and complete().

They reflect the concept of complete() / wait_for_completion().
Fundamentally all it needs to do is pass the message of 'completion'.

That is, if we were to go optimize our completion implementation, it
would be impossible to be weaker than this and still correct.

> So I dropped that patch yesterday.  The main thing I was missing was
> that there is no ordering-free fastpath in wait_for_completion() and
> complete(): Each unconditionally acquires the lock.  So the smp_mb()
> that I was trying to add doesn't need to be there.

Going by the above, it never needs to be there, even if there was a
lock-free fast-path.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-06 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-04 21:29 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/9] Miscellaneous fixes for v4.15 Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 1/9] rcu: Provide GP ordering in face of migrations and delays Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05  9:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 14:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 16:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 16:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 18:22             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-06  9:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-06 19:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-06 20:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-10-07  3:31                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-07  9:29                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-07 18:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-09  8:16                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-09 14:37                             ` Andrea Parri
2017-10-09 23:15                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 13:17   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-10-05 13:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 14:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 2/9] rcu: Fix up pending cbs check in rcu_prepare_for_idle Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 3/9] rcu: Create call_rcu_tasks() kthread at boot time Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 4/9] irq_work: Map irq_work_on_queue() to irq_work_on() in !SMP Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 5/9] srcu: Add parameters to SRCU docbook comments Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 6/9] sched: Make resched_cpu() unconditional Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 7/9] rcu: Pretend ->boost_mtx acquired legitimately Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-10-05 15:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 8/9] rcu: Add extended-quiescent-state testing advice Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-04 21:29 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 9/9] rcu/segcblist: Include rcupdate.h Paul E. McKenney

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