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From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, pkrempa@redhat.com,
	ehabkost@redhat.com, cohuck@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	armbru@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:30:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171018153010.GL9719@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171017180635.6a900616@nial.brq.redhat.com>

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 06:06:35PM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:07:59 +0100
> "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 09:27:02AM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:36:36 +0100
> > > "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 06:22:50PM +0200, Igor Mammedov wrote:  
> > > > > Series allows to configure NUMA mapping at runtime using QMP/HMP
> > > > > interface. For that to happen it introduces a new '-paused' CLI option
> > > > > which allows to pause QEMU before machine_init() is run and
> > > > > adds new set-numa-node HMP/QMP commands which in conjuction with
> > > > > info hotpluggable-cpus/query-hotpluggable-cpus allow to configure
> > > > > NUMA mapping for cpus.    
> > > > 
> > > > What's the problem we're seeking solve here compared to what we currently
> > > > do for NUMA configuration ?  
> > > From RHBZ1382425
> > > "
> > > Current -numa CLI interface is quite limited in terms that allow map
> > > CPUs to NUMA nodes as it requires to provide cpu_index values which 
> > > are non obvious and depend on machine/arch. As result libvirt has to
> > > assume/re-implement cpu_index allocation logic to provide valid 
> > > values for -numa cpus=... QEMU CLI option.  
> > 
> > In broad terms, this problem applies to every device / object libvirt
> > asks QEMU to create. For everything else libvirt is able to assign a
> > "id" string, which is can then use to identify the thing later. The
> > CPU stuff is different because libvirt isn't able to provide 'id'
> > strings for each CPU - QEMU generates a psuedo-id internally which
> > libvirt has to infer. The latter is the same problem we had with
> > devices before '-device' was introduced allowing 'id' naming.
> > 
> > IMHO we should take the same approach with CPUs and start modelling 
> > the individual CPUs as something we can explicitly create with -object
> > or -device. That way libvirt can assign names and does not have to 
> > care about CPU index values, and it all works just the same way as
> > any other devices / object we create
> > 
> > ie instead of:
> > 
> >   -smp 8,sockets=4,cores=2,threads=1
> >   -numa node,nodeid=0,cpus=0-3
> >   -numa node,nodeid=1,cpus=4-7
> > 
> > we could do:
> > 
> >   -object numa-node,id=numa0
> >   -object numa-node,id=numa1
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu0,node=numa0,socket=0,core=0,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu1,node=numa0,socket=0,core=1,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu2,node=numa0,socket=1,core=0,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu3,node=numa0,socket=1,core=1,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu4,node=numa1,socket=2,core=0,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu5,node=numa1,socket=2,core=1,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu6,node=numa1,socket=3,core=0,thread=0
> >   -object cpu,id=cpu7,node=numa1,socket=3,core=1,thread=0
> the follow up question would be where do "socket=3,core=1,thread=0"
> come from, currently these options are the function of
> (-M foo -smp ...) and can be queried vi query-hotpluggble-cpus at
> runtime after qemu parses -M and -smp options.

NB, I realize my example was open to mis-interpretation. The values I'm
illustrating here for socket=3,core=1,thread=0 and *not* ID values, they
are a plain enumeration of values. ie this is saying the 4th socket, the
2nd core and the 1st thread.  Internally QEMU might have the 2nd core
with a core-id of 8, or 7038 or whatever architecture specific numbering
scheme makes sense, but that's not what the mgmt app gives at the CLI
level


Regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-18 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16 16:22 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 1/6] numa: postpone options post-processing till machine_run_board_init() Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17  5:49   ` David Gibson
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 2/6] numa: split out NumaOptions parsing into parse_NumaOptions() Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18  3:27   ` David Gibson
2017-10-18 14:53     ` Eric Blake
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 3/6] possible_cpus: add CPUArchId::type field Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 11:12   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 " Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19  6:31     ` David Gibson
2017-10-31 14:01       ` Igor Mammedov
2017-11-06 18:02         ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-07 15:04           ` Cornelia Huck
2017-11-09  6:58             ` David Gibson
2017-11-09 20:02               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-10 10:14                 ` Cornelia Huck
2017-11-10 12:34                   ` David Hildenbrand
2017-11-10 12:58                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-11-10 13:07                       ` David Hildenbrand
2017-11-21 14:02                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-11-09  6:53           ` David Gibson
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 4/6] CLI: add -paused option Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:35   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17  8:17     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 10:56       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 11:11         ` Peter Krempa
2017-10-20 15:38     ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-16 16:59   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-16 17:01     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-16 17:17       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-17  8:47         ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-17  9:25           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 14:48       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:21         ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 15:35           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:42             ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 15:47               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:47             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 15:52               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17  9:10     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19 10:42     ` David Gibson
2017-10-20  0:15       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-20  1:19         ` David Gibson
2017-10-20 14:21           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  9:49             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23  9:53               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-23 10:36                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:49                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-23 11:18                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-25 10:52                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-25 10:35               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  9:30         ` Alex Bennée
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 5/6] HMP: add set-numa-node command Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 6/6] QMP: " Igor Mammedov
2017-10-16 16:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/6] enable numa configuration before machine_init() from HMP/QMP Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-16 17:05   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-17  7:27   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 15:07     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 15:24       ` Laszlo Ersek
2017-10-17 16:06       ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-17 16:09         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-17 16:18           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 12:59             ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-18 14:44               ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:49                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 15:24                   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 15:27                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 20:11                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-18 15:30         ` Daniel P. Berrange [this message]
2017-10-18 20:22           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-19 11:49             ` David Gibson
2017-10-19 12:23               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-20  1:21                 ` David Gibson
2017-10-20 19:53                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  8:17                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23  8:45                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-25  6:57                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-25  7:02                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-25 13:37                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-19 15:21           ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-19 15:28             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-19 19:56               ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-20  9:07                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-20 20:07                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2017-10-23  8:53                     ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:04                   ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-23 10:19                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 12:19       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 12:27         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2017-10-18 12:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 14:26             ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:29               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-10-18 14:54                 ` Igor Mammedov
2017-10-18 14:21           ` Igor Mammedov

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