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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Corentin Labbe" <clabbe.montjoie@gmail.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	"Jerry Snitselaar" <jsnitsel@redhat.com>,
	"Kenneth Goldman" <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nayna Jain" <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@samba.org>,
	"Peter Hüwe" <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>,
	"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 17:13:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171018171309.f7idf76ccvofpnpk@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1508342988.3958.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 09:09:48AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 18:10 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 08:57:13AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 11:25 +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fixes is only for bug fixes.  These don't fix any bugs.
> > > > 
> > > > How do you distinguish these in questionable source code
> > > > from other error categories or software weaknesses?
> > > 
> > > A style change is one that doesn't change the effect of the
> > > execution.
> > >  These don't actually even change the assembly, so there's
> > > programmatic
> > > proof they're not fixing anything.
> > > 
> > > Bug means potentially user visible fault.  In any bug fix commit
> > > you
> > > should document the fault and its effects on users so those
> > > backporting
> > > can decide if they care or not.
> > > 
> > > James
> > 
> > OK, I'll adjust my definition of a bug :-)
> 
> Subsystems are free to define bugs in any reasonable way.  However,
> there are two things to note here:
> 
>    1. The style guide is just that, a guide; it's not hard and fast rules.
>        That means that violations aren't bugs in the usual sense.
>        However, new code should mostly follow it and if it doesn't, there
>       should be a good reason to go against the guide which should be
>       explained in the change log.
>    2. The coding style evolves, so older drivers usually don't conform.
>        Classifying coding style issues as bugs leads to tons of patches
>       "fixing" older drivers, some of which actually end up breaking the
>       drivers in subtle ways which take ages to be found (at least that's
>       what we've seen in SCSI).
> 
> James

Makes sense. Thanks for verbose explanation.

/Jarkko
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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Corentin Labbe" <clabbe.montjoie@gmail.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	"Jerry Snitselaar" <jsnitsel@redhat.com>,
	"Kenneth Goldman" <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nayna Jain" <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@samba.org>,
	"Peter Hüwe" <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>,
	"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:13:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171018171309.f7idf76ccvofpnpk@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1508342988.3958.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 09:09:48AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 18:10 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 08:57:13AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 11:25 +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fixes is only for bug fixes.  These don't fix any bugs.
> > > > 
> > > > How do you distinguish these in questionable source code
> > > > from other error categories or software weaknesses?
> > > 
> > > A style change is one that doesn't change the effect of the
> > > execution.
> > >  These don't actually even change the assembly, so there's
> > > programmatic
> > > proof they're not fixing anything.
> > > 
> > > Bug means potentially user visible fault.  In any bug fix commit
> > > you
> > > should document the fault and its effects on users so those
> > > backporting
> > > can decide if they care or not.
> > > 
> > > James
> > 
> > OK, I'll adjust my definition of a bug :-)
> 
> Subsystems are free to define bugs in any reasonable way.  However,
> there are two things to note here:
> 
>    1. The style guide is just that, a guide; it's not hard and fast rules.
>        That means that violations aren't bugs in the usual sense.
>        However, new code should mostly follow it and if it doesn't, there
>       should be a good reason to go against the guide which should be
>       explained in the change log.
>    2. The coding style evolves, so older drivers usually don't conform.
>        Classifying coding style issues as bugs leads to tons of patches
>       "fixing" older drivers, some of which actually end up breaking the
>       drivers in subtle ways which take ages to be found (at least that's
>       what we've seen in SCSI).
> 
> James

Makes sense. Thanks for verbose explanation.

/Jarkko

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Corentin Labbe" <clabbe.montjoie@gmail.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	"Jerry Snitselaar" <jsnitsel@redhat.com>,
	"Kenneth Goldman" <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Nayna Jain" <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Paul Mackerras" <paulus@samba.org>,
	"Peter Hüwe" <PeterHuewe@gmx.de>,
	"Stefan Berger" <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 20:13:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171018171309.f7idf76ccvofpnpk@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1508342988.3958.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 09:09:48AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 18:10 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 08:57:13AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2017-10-17 at 11:25 +0200, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fixes is only for bug fixes.  These don't fix any bugs.
> > > > 
> > > > How do you distinguish these in questionable source code
> > > > from other error categories or software weaknesses?
> > > 
> > > A style change is one that doesn't change the effect of the
> > > execution.
> > >  These don't actually even change the assembly, so there's
> > > programmatic
> > > proof they're not fixing anything.
> > > 
> > > Bug means potentially user visible fault.  In any bug fix commit
> > > you
> > > should document the fault and its effects on users so those
> > > backporting
> > > can decide if they care or not.
> > > 
> > > James
> > 
> > OK, I'll adjust my definition of a bug :-)
> 
> Subsystems are free to define bugs in any reasonable way.  However,
> there are two things to note here:
> 
>    1. The style guide is just that, a guide; it's not hard and fast rules.
>        That means that violations aren't bugs in the usual sense.
>        However, new code should mostly follow it and if it doesn't, there
>       should be a good reason to go against the guide which should be
>       explained in the change log.
>    2. The coding style evolves, so older drivers usually don't conform.
>        Classifying coding style issues as bugs leads to tons of patches
>       "fixing" older drivers, some of which actually end up breaking the
>       drivers in subtle ways which take ages to be found (at least that's
>       what we've seen in SCSI).
> 
> James

Makes sense. Thanks for verbose explanation.

/Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-18 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 217+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16 17:30 [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:30 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_ascii_bios_measu SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:31   ` [PATCH 1/4] char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_ascii_bios_measurements_show() SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:32 ` [PATCH 2/4] char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_ibmvtpm_probe() SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:32   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:33 ` [PATCH 3/4] char/tpm: Improve a size determination in nine functions SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:33   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 11:03   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 11:03     ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 11:50     ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 11:50       ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 11:50       ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 12:52       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 12:52         ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 12:52         ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 12:58         ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 12:58           ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 12:58           ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 15:17           ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 15:17             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 15:17             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 15:29             ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 15:29               ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 15:29               ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18  9:16               ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18  9:16                 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18  9:16                 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18  9:16                 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 18:41             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 18:41               ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 18:41               ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 19:28               ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 19:28                 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 19:28                 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 20:04                 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 20:04                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 20:04                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 19:36               ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 19:36                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 20:24                 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 20:24                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 14:57               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:57                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:57                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:22                 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:22                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:22                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:59                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:59                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:59                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 16:43                     ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 16:43                       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 16:43                       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:18                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:18                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:18                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:22                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:22                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:22                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:54                           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:54                             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:48                         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:48                           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:48                           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 17:54                           ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-18 17:54                             ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-18 17:54                             ` Jerry Snitselaar
2017-10-18 18:11                             ` char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory =?UTF-8?B?IGFsbG9jYXRpb24gaW4g SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:11                               ` char/tpm: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in tpm_…() SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:11                               ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:03                           ` char/tpm: Improve a size determination in nine functions Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-18 18:03                             ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-19 12:04                             ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:04                               ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:16                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-19 12:16                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-19 12:16                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-17 13:02         ` [PATCH 3/4] " Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-17 13:02           ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-10-18 14:52           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:52             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-17 15:22         ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 15:22           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 15:22           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-17 15:22           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 14:48       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:48         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-19 16:58         ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-19 16:58           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-19 16:58           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-20  9:01           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20  9:01             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 10:23             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 10:23               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-20 12:03               ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-20 12:03                 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-20 12:03                 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-23 13:20           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-23 13:20             ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-18 14:40     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 14:40       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 17:34 ` [PATCH 4/4] char/tpm: Less checks in tpm_ibmvtpm_probe() after error detection SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 17:34   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 11:56   ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 11:56     ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:36     ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 12:36       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 12:46       ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 12:46         ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:26         ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:26           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 13:36     ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 13:36       ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 13:36       ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:16       ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:16         ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:16         ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:16         ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-19 14:59         ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:59           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 14:59           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-19 20:44       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 20:44         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 20:44         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 18:31 ` [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 18:31   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 18:35   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 18:35     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-16 20:44     ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 20:44       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:04       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:04         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:43         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:43           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 15:43           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-16 22:46     ` [PATCH 0/4] " Joe Perches
2017-10-16 22:46       ` Joe Perches
2017-10-17  7:20       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17  7:20         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17  8:51     ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17  8:51       ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17  8:56       ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17  8:56         ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17  9:44         ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17  9:44           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-10-17 10:11           ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 10:11             ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-17 11:52             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 11:52               ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-17 11:52               ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-18  3:18               ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-18  3:18                 ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-19 13:16                 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-19 13:16                   ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-19 16:08                   ` Circumstances for using the tag “Fixes” (or not) SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-19 16:08                     ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 12:26           ` [PATCH 0/4] char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations Michael Ellerman
2017-10-17 12:26             ` Michael Ellerman
2017-10-18 15:07           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:07             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-17  9:25       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17  9:25         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 15:57         ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 15:57           ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 16:32           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 16:32             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 16:32             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-17 22:43           ` Joe Perches
2017-10-17 22:43             ` Joe Perches
2017-10-17 22:43             ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18  9:00             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18  9:00               ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18  9:18               ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18  9:18                 ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18  9:50                 ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18  9:50                   ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18  9:50                   ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:00                   ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 10:00                     ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 10:28                     ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 10:28                       ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 11:00                       ` Adjusting further size determinations? SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 11:00                         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 11:49                         ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 11:49                           ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 12:07                           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 12:07                             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 12:58                             ` David Laight
2017-10-18 12:58                               ` David Laight
2017-10-18 12:58                               ` David Laight
2017-10-18 13:32                               ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 13:32                                 ` Julia Lawall
2017-10-18 13:50                                 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 13:50                                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 13:50                                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 10:44                     ` char-TPM: Adjustments for ten function implementations Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:44                       ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:44                       ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 10:49                       ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 10:49                         ` Joe Perches
2017-10-18 11:07                         ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 11:07                           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18 11:07                           ` Alexander.Steffen
2017-10-18  9:55                 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18  9:55                   ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-10-18 18:27                 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-18 18:27                   ` Michal Suchánek
2017-10-18 15:10           ` [PATCH 0/4] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:10             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 15:10             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 16:09             ` James Bottomley
2017-10-18 16:09               ` James Bottomley
2017-10-18 16:09               ` James Bottomley
2017-10-18 17:13               ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2017-10-18 17:13                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-10-18 17:13                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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