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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] schedule: use unlikely()
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:22:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171128072250.GA10757@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1711271901050.9280@file01.intranet.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com>

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 07:05:22PM -0500, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Greg KH wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 02:00:45PM -0500, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > A small patch for schedule(), so that the code goes straght in the common
> > > case.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
> > 
> > Was this a measurable difference?  If so, great, please provide the
> > numbers and how you tested in the changelog.  If it can't be measured,
> > then it is not worth it to add these markings
> 
> It is much easier to make microoptimizations (such as using likely() and 
> unlikely()) than to measure their effect.
> 
> If a programmer were required to measure performance every time he uses 
> likely() or unlikely() in his code, he wouldn't use them at all.

If you can not measure it, you should not use it.  You are forgetting
about the testing that was done a few years ago that found that some
huge percentage (80? 75? 90?) of all of these markings were wrong and
harmful or did absolutely nothing.

> > as the CPU/compiler almost always knows better.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > greg k-h
> 
> The compiler assumes that pointers are usually not NULL - but in this 
> case, they are usually NULL. The compiler can't know better (unless 
> profile feedback is used).

If you think so, great, but prove it, otherwise you are adding markup
that is not needed or could be harmful. :)

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-28  7:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-13 19:00 [PATCH] schedule: use unlikely() Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-24  7:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-24 18:47   ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-25  8:16     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-28  3:36       ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-25  8:56 ` Greg KH
2017-11-28  0:05   ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-28  7:22     ` Greg KH [this message]
2017-11-30  7:04       ` Mikulas Patocka
2017-11-30  8:07         ` Greg KH
2017-12-08 14:30           ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-08 14:56             ` Greg KH
2017-12-08 14:29       ` Pavel Machek

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