From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@scylladb.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: CAP_PAYLOAD to reduce Meltdown and Spectre mitigation costs
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:06:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180107180643.GG2404@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d71a1b44-9b17-4b49-3a38-530c739e8d82@scylladb.com>
On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 02:51:59PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
> I don't see the connection. The browser wouldn't run with CAP_PAYLOAD set.
>
> In a desktop system, only init retains CAP_PAYLOAD.
>
> On a server that runs one application (and some supporting processes), only
> init and that one application have CAP_PAYLOAD (if the sysadmin makes it
> so).
In the classical (as defined by the withdrawn Posix draft spec)
capaibilities model, if you have a setuid root process it gets all the
capabilities, and capabilities are used to limit what privileges a
root process. Hence using strict capabilities, any setuid root
process would have CAP_PAYLOAD.
Linux has extensions which allow you to have capability bound which
capabilities that can be obtained by a process, so you _could_ make it
work, but it just seems like an bad fit, since it's not strictly
speaking a root-owned privilege. It's more like a configuration
setting, and so modulating it via cgroups attribute seems to make a
lot more sense --- it's certainly (IMHO) less confusing than trying to
ab(use) the capabilities system and its extensions in this fashion.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-07 18:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-06 19:33 Proposal: CAP_PAYLOAD to reduce Meltdown and Spectre mitigation costs Avi Kivity
2018-01-06 20:02 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-07 9:16 ` Avi Kivity
2018-01-07 12:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-07 12:34 ` Ozgur
2018-01-07 12:51 ` Avi Kivity
2018-01-07 18:06 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2018-01-06 20:24 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 9:14 ` Avi Kivity
2018-01-07 17:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 14:36 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-07 15:15 ` Avi Kivity
2018-01-07 17:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 1:33 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-01-08 1:33 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-01-18 22:49 ` Pavel Machek
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