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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	valentin.schneider@arm.com, morten.rasmussen@foss.arm.com,
	brendan.jackman@arm.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] sched: Stop nohz stats when decayed
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 16:03:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180208160341.GD17775@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180208154643.GB25181@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 04:46:43PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 03:30:31PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 03:00:05PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > > Without this ordering I think it would be possible to loose has_blocked
> > > and not observe the CPU either.
> > 
> > I had a quick look at this, and I think you're right. This looks very much
> > like an 'R'-shaped test, which means it's smp_mb() all round otherwise Power
> > will go wrong. That also means the smp_mb__after_atomic() in
> > nohz_balance_enter_idle *cannot* be an smp_wmb(), so you might want a
> > comment stating that explicitly.
> 
> Thanks Will. BTW, where does that 'R' shape nomenclature come from?
> This is the first I've heard of it.

I don't know where it originates from, but the imfamous "test6.pdf" has it:

https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~pes20/ppc-supplemental/test6.pdf

half way down the first page on the left. It says "needs sync+sync" which
is about as bad as it gets for Power (compare with "2+2w", which gets away
with lwsync+lwsync). See also:

http://materials.dagstuhl.de/files/16/16471/16471.DerekWilliams.Slides.pdf

for a light-hearted, yet technically accurate story about the latter.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-08 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-06 19:23 [PATCH v2 0/3] Update blocked load Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] sched: Stop nohz stats when decayed Vincent Guittot
2018-02-08 12:46   ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-08 13:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-08 13:36     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-08 19:21       ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-09 11:41         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-09 12:16           ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-08 14:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-08 14:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-08 15:05     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-08 15:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-08 16:52         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-09 12:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-08 15:30     ` Will Deacon
2018-02-08 15:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-08 16:03         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-02-09  9:51           ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-06 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] sched: reduce the periodic update duration Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] sched: update blocked load when newly idle Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06 21:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Update blocked load Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-06 21:46   ` Vincent Guittot

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