From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation/locking: Document the semantics of spin_is_locked()
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:34:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180228113456.GC7681@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180228112403.GA32228@andrea>
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:24:03PM +0100, Andrea Parri wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:56:32AM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:39:32AM +0100, Andrea Parri wrote:
> > > There appeared to be a certain, recurrent uncertainty concerning the
> > > semantics of spin_is_locked(), likely a consequence of the fact that
> > > this semantics remains undocumented or that it has been historically
> > > linked to the (likewise unclear) semantics of spin_unlock_wait().
> > >
> > > Document this semantics.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> > > Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> > > Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> > > Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
> > > Cc: Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>
> > > Cc: Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>
> > > Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > Cc: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
> > > ---
> > > include/linux/spinlock.h | 11 +++++++++++
> > > 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/spinlock.h b/include/linux/spinlock.h
> > > index 4894d322d2584..2639fdc9a916c 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/spinlock.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/spinlock.h
> > > @@ -380,6 +380,17 @@ static __always_inline int spin_trylock_irq(spinlock_t *lock)
> > > raw_spin_trylock_irqsave(spinlock_check(lock), flags); \
> > > })
> > >
> > > +/**
> > > + * spin_is_locked() - Check whether a spinlock is locked.
> > > + * @lock: Pointer to the spinlock.
> > > + *
> > > + * This function is NOT required to provide any memory ordering
> > > + * guarantees; it could be used for debugging purposes or, when
> > > + * additional synchronization is needed, accompanied with other
> > > + * constructs (memory barriers) enforcing the synchronization.
> > > + *
> > > + * Return: 1, if @lock is (found to be) locked; 0, otherwise.
> > > + */
> >
> > I also don't think this is quite right, since the spin_is_locked check
> > must be ordered after all prior lock acquisitions (to any lock) on the same
> > CPU. That's why we have an smp_mb() in there on arm64 (see 38b850a73034f).
>
> So, arm64 (and powerpc) complies to the semantics I _have_ in mind ...
Sure, but they're offering more than that at present. If I can remove the
smp_mb() in our spin_is_locked implementation, I will, but we need to know
what that will break even if you consider that code to be broken because it
relies on something undocumented.
> > So this is a change in semantics and we need to audit the users before
> > proceeding. We should also keep spin_is_locked consistent with the versions
> > for mutex, rwsem, bit_spin.
>
> Well, strictly speaking, it isn't (given that the current semantics is,
> as reported above, currently undocumented); for the same reason, cases
> relying on anything more than _nothing_ (if any) are already broken ...
I suppose it depends on whether you consider the code or the documentation
to be authoritative. I tend to err on the side of the former for the kernel.
To be clear: I'm perfectly ok relaxing the semantics, but only if there's
some evidence that you've looked at the callsites and determined that they
won't break. That's why I think a better first step would be to convert a
bunch of them to using lockdep for the "assert that I hold this lock"
checks, so we can start to see where the interesting cases are.
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-28 11:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-28 10:39 [PATCH] Documentation/locking: Document the semantics of spin_is_locked() Andrea Parri
2018-02-28 10:56 ` Will Deacon
2018-02-28 11:24 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-28 11:34 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-02-28 12:15 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-28 14:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-03-07 13:13 ` Andrea Parri
2018-03-07 14:37 ` Daniel Thompson
2018-03-13 12:24 ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-28 15:16 ` Alan Stern
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20180228113456.GC7681@arm.com \
--to=will.deacon@arm.com \
--cc=akiyks@gmail.com \
--cc=boqun.feng@gmail.com \
--cc=dhowells@redhat.com \
--cc=j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=luc.maranget@inria.fr \
--cc=npiggin@gmail.com \
--cc=parri.andrea@gmail.com \
--cc=paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=peterz@infradead.org \
--cc=stern@rowland.harvard.edu \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.