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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@chromium.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Y Knight <jyknight@google.com>,
	Chandler Carruth <chandlerc@google.com>,
	Stephen Hines <srhines@google.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	Guenter Roeck <groeck@chromium.org>,
	Greg Hackmann <ghackmann@google.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] x86/build changes for v4.17
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 11:30:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180404093007.GI4082@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180403180658.GE87376@google.com>

On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 11:06:58AM -0700, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:

> Yes, Chrome OS R67 (currently dev, soon beta) will ship a kernel built
> with Clang for multiple x86 Chromebooks.

But there are still _known_ miscompilations....

> Given that it takes time for distributions to roll out new compiler
> versions I would like to ask for a longer period of 'exemption' from
> asm-goto for Clang, at least if it isn't an actual burden for the
> kernel, like preventing important features from being added. An ideal
> time would be after the next-next LTS version, if this is considered
> too far out, after the next LTS version would be the second best time
> IMO. Let me be clear, this is *not* to delay the implementation of
> asm-goto, but to facilitate the use of Clang-built kernels by other
> projects and distributions, as well as automated builds of upstream
> kernels with Clang, without requiring necessarily the very latest
> version of Clang or extra patches.

I don't think that's sane or realistic, given that the very latest clang
is _known_ to miscompile the kernel. How can you want to support older
compilers that are therefore also known to not work correctly.

Next LTS is still a fair way out, if we take LTS release to be
every ~5 releases, the next one would be ~.19, that's still 3 releases
hence. That's a _long_ time.

I don't see the point in waiting that long for a compiler that doesn't
work even without asm-goto.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-04  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-02  9:50 [GIT PULL] x86/build changes for v4.17 Ingo Molnar
2018-04-02 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-02 22:38   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-03  1:26     ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-03  8:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-03  9:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-04-03 12:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-03 18:06       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-03 21:58         ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04  9:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-04  9:38           ` Greg KH
2018-04-04 16:49             ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 17:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 17:46                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 23:10                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 16:53             ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-04 16:59               ` Greg KH
2018-04-04 19:26                 ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 19:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 22:21                     ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 22:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05  7:08                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 16:21                         ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 19:32               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-06-07 19:23                 ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-06-07 20:11                   ` Greg KH
2018-04-04  9:30         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-04-04 19:17           ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 20:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-04-04 20:58               ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 21:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-04-04 21:46                   ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 21:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 22:17                       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-04 22:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-04 23:31                           ` Matthias Kaehlcke
2018-04-05  0:05                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05  0:20                               ` Kees Cook
2018-04-05  7:24                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05  8:04                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-04-05  8:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 16:43                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05  7:20                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-05 17:46                               ` James Y Knight
2018-04-05 18:06                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05 20:51                                   ` James Y Knight
2018-04-05 21:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05 22:51                                       ` James Y Knight
2018-04-06  2:02                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-04-05 17:47                               ` James Y Knight
2018-04-04 23:04             ` Nick Desaulniers
2018-04-03 17:36     ` Linus Torvalds

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