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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Tony Krowiak <akrowiak@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	mjrosato@linux.vnet.ibm.com, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
	eskultet@redhat.com, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org,
	Pierre Morel <pmorel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	alifm@linux.vnet.ibm.com, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, agraf@suse.de, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	bjsdjshi@linux.vnet.ibm.com, eric.auger@redhat.com,
	rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 6/7] s390x/kvm: handle AP instruction interception
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 12:51:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180409125104.1103d650.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1b0c08f8-c98c-c79c-574f-5c75229decf4@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 12:37:42 +0200
Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> On 04/09/2018 11:32 AM, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> >> We can kind of (i.e. modulo EECA.28) ensure this in a different fashion I think. How
> >> about proclaiming a 'has ap instructions, but nothing to see here' in the
> >> SIE interpreted flavor (ECA.28 set) the default way of having ap instructions
> >> under KVM. This should be easily accomplished with an all zero CRYCB and eca.28
> >> set. The for the guest to actually get real work done with AP we would
> >> still require some sort of driver to either provide a non-zero matrix by
> >> altering the CRYCB or unsettling ECA.28 and doing the intercepted flavor.
> >>
> >> Please notice, the cpu facility ap would still keep it's semantic
> >> 'has ap instructions' (opposed to 'has ap instructions implemented in
> >> SIE interpreted flavor). And give us all the flexibility.
> >>
> >> Yet implementing what we want to have in absence of a driver would become
> >> much easier (under the assumption that ECA.28 equals EECA.28).
> >>
> >> How about this?  
> > Unfortunately, this is really hard to follow without the AR... let me
> > summarize it to check whether I got the gist of it :)
> > 
> > - If the "ap" cpu feature is specified, set a bit that indicates "hey,
> >   we basically have have AP support" and create the basics, but don't
> >   enable actual SIE handling. This means the guest gets exceptions from
> >   the SIE already and we don't need to emulate them.  
> 
> Kind of. The bit is ECA.28 and tells SIE 'hey SIE shall interpret ap
> instructions for the guest (as specified)'. Then SIE has an SD satellite
> called CRYCB that contains the which ap resources is the guest authorized
> to use. These are the masks. If we set each mask to all zero, we will
> effectively accomplish 'hey,we basically have have AP support but no
> resources at the moment'. So, right, we don't have to emulate that.
> 
> I don't know what do you mean by exceptions. For most legit requests the
> SIE should say APQN invalid, with QCI being a notable exception. But
> of course SIE would inject program exceptions (access, specification,
> and privileged operation) accordingly I guess.

I meant "emulate exceptions"...

> 
> 
> In short, the SIE would do what we are trying to emulate in this patch.

...so yes, exactly that.

> 
> > - Actually enable the missing pieces if a vfio device is created. This
> >   would enable processing by the SIE, and we would not need to do
> >   emulation, either (for most of it, IIRC).  
> 
> Yes. It would actually assign resources to the guest. That would enable
> doing real work with the AP instructions.

Ok.

> 
> > 
> > I may be all wrong, though... can we at least have a translation of
> > ECA.28 and EECA.28 (the "ap is there" bit and the "ap instructions are
> > interpreted" bit?)
> >   
> 
> I think we have a misunderstanding here. I will wait for Tony. Maybe
> he can understand this better or explain in more accessible way.

From what I get from your explanation, this approach sounds like a good
way forward. But let's wait for Tony.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-09 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-15 23:24 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 0/7] s390x: vfio-ap: guest dedicated crypto adapters Tony Krowiak
2018-03-15 23:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/7] linux-headers: linux header updates for AP support Tony Krowiak
2018-03-15 23:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/7] s390x/ap: base Adjunct Processor (AP) object Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16 10:27   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 10:38   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 14:18     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-15 23:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 3/7] s390x/cpumodel: Set up CPU model for AP device support Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16  9:36   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 14:23     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-06 14:51   ` Pierre Morel
2018-04-10 13:19     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-15 23:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 4/7] s390x/kvm: interface to interpret AP instructions Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16 10:34   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 10:36   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 14:33     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-20 18:02   ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-26  8:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-02 18:27     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-15 23:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 5/7] s390x/vfio: ap: Introduce VFIO AP device Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16 10:42   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 13:22     ` Halil Pasic
2018-03-16 15:29       ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16 15:36         ` Halil Pasic
2018-03-16 15:53           ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16 16:26             ` Halil Pasic
2018-03-27 12:02       ` Cornelia Huck
2018-04-02 17:05         ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-03 18:53           ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16 15:00     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-15 23:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 6/7] s390x/kvm: handle AP instruction interception Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16  8:03   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 15:31     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-03-26  8:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-03-26  8:43     ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] " David Hildenbrand
2018-03-26  9:03     ` [Qemu-devel] " Pierre Morel
2018-03-26 12:01       ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-02 16:39         ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-02 16:36       ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-03  9:36         ` Cornelia Huck
2018-04-04 11:06           ` Pierre Morel
2018-04-04 13:38           ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-05 16:38           ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-05 17:17             ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-06  8:40               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-04-06  9:11                 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-04-06 12:09                   ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-06 12:32                     ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-06 12:37                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-04-06 16:07             ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-09  9:32               ` Cornelia Huck
2018-04-09 10:37                 ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-09 10:51                   ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2018-04-11 13:20                     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-11 13:50                       ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-12 15:24                         ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-12 15:22                 ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-04 11:09         ` Pierre Morel
2018-04-04 12:59           ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-04 13:35             ` Pierre Morel
2018-04-04 13:33           ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-04 13:43             ` Pierre Morel
2018-04-04 20:12               ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-05 13:51                 ` Halil Pasic
2018-04-02 15:59     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-06 14:08   ` Pierre Morel
2018-04-06 14:42     ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-15 23:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 7/7] s390: doc: detailed specifications for AP virtualization Tony Krowiak
2018-03-16  9:45   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 10:03   ` Pierre Morel
2018-03-16 15:35     ` Tony Krowiak
2018-04-02 16:46     ` Tony Krowiak

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