From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>,
Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
"Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>
Subject: Re: fsync() errors is unsafe and risks data loss
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 01:09:24 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180412050924.GO2801@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180412023221.vphcqild3vckaqmw@alap3.anarazel.de>
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 07:32:21PM -0700, Andres Freund wrote:
>
> Most of that sounds like a good thing to do, but you got to recognize
> that that's a lot of linux specific code.
I know it's not what PG has chosen, but realistically all of the other
major databases and userspace based storage systems have used DIO
precisely *because* it's the way to avoid OS-specific behavior or
require OS-specific code. DIO is simple, and pretty much the same
everywhere.
In contrast, the exact details of how buffered I/O workrs can be quite
different on different OS's. This is especially true if you take
performance related details (e.g., the cleaning algorithm, how pages
get chosen for eviction, etc.)
As I read the PG-hackers thread, I thought I saw acknowledgement that
some of the behaviors you don't like with Linux also show up on other
Unix or Unix-like systems?
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-04-12 5:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-10 22:07 fsync() errors is unsafe and risks data loss Andres Freund
2018-04-11 21:52 ` Andreas Dilger
2018-04-12 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 2:32 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 2:51 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 5:09 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2018-04-12 5:45 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 11:24 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:11 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 10:19 ` Lukas Czerner
2018-04-12 19:46 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 2:17 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 3:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 11:09 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 11:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 12:01 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 15:08 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 22:44 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-13 13:18 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-13 13:25 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-13 14:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-14 1:47 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-14 2:04 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-18 23:59 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-19 0:23 ` Eric Sandeen
2018-04-14 2:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-19 0:13 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-19 0:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-19 1:08 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-19 17:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-19 23:27 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-19 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2018-04-12 15:16 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 20:13 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 20:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 21:14 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-13 12:56 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:21 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 21:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-12 21:37 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 20:24 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 21:27 ` Jeff Layton
2018-04-12 21:53 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 21:57 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-21 18:14 ` Jan Kara
2018-04-12 5:34 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 19:55 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-12 21:52 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-04-12 22:03 ` Andres Freund
2018-04-18 18:09 ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-04-13 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-04-21 16:59 ` Jan Kara
[not found] <8da874c9-cf9c-d40a-3474-b773190878e7@commandprompt.com>
[not found] ` <20180410184356.GD3563@thunk.org>
2018-04-10 19:47 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-04-18 16:52 ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-04-19 8:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-19 14:10 ` J. Bruce Fields
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