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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-block@nongnu.org, mreitz@redhat.com, famz@redhat.com,
	stefanha@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/19] block: Really pause block jobs on drain
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:53:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180412115316.GC5004@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <569800ae-12f8-53f1-012a-50408700ba39@redhat.com>

Am 12.04.2018 um 13:30 hat Paolo Bonzini geschrieben:
> On 12/04/2018 13:11, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> >> Well, there is one gotcha: bdrv_ref protects against disappearance, but
> >> bdrv_ref/bdrv_unref are not thread-safe.  Am I missing something else?
> >
> > Apart from the above, if we do an extra bdrv_ref/unref we'd also have
> > to keep track of all the nodes that we've referenced so that we unref
> > the same nodes again, even if the graph has changes.
> >
> > So essentially you'd be introducing a new list of BDSes that we have to
> > manage and then check for every reachable node whether it's already in
> > that list or not, and for every node in the list whether it's still
> > reachable.
> 
> That would be a hash table (a set), not a list, so easy to check.  But
> the thread-safety is a bigger issue.
> 
> The problem I have is that there is a direction through which I/O flows
> (parent-to-child), so why can't draining follow that natural direction.
> Having to check for the parents' I/O, while draining the child, seems
> wrong.  Perhaps we can't help it, but I cannot understand the reason.

I'm not sure what's there that could be not understood. You already
confirmed that we need to drain the parents, too, when we drain a node.
Drain really must propagate in the opposite direction of I/O, because
part of its job is to quiesce the origin of any I/O to the node that
should be drained. Opposite of I/O _is_ the natural direction for drain.

We also have subtree drains, but that's not because that's the natural
direction for drain, but just as a convenience function because some
operations (e.g. reopen) affect a whole subtree, so they need everything
in that subtree drained rather than just a single node.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-12 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-11 16:39 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/19] Drain fixes and cleanups, part 3 Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/19] test-bdrv-drain: bdrv_drain() works with cross-AioContext events Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/19] block: Use bdrv_do_drain_begin/end in bdrv_drain_all() Kevin Wolf
2018-04-20  7:07   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/19] block: Remove 'recursive' parameter from bdrv_drain_invoke() Kevin Wolf
2018-04-20  7:09   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/19] block: Don't manually poll in bdrv_drain_all() Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 18:32   ` Eric Blake
2018-04-20  7:11   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/19] tests/test-bdrv-drain: bdrv_drain_all() works in coroutines now Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 18:33   ` Eric Blake
2018-04-20  7:12   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/19] block: Avoid unnecessary aio_poll() in AIO_WAIT_WHILE() Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 17:33   ` Su Hang
2018-04-20  7:17   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/19] block: Really pause block jobs on drain Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12  8:37   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12  9:51     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12 10:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12 11:11         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12 11:30           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12 11:53             ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2018-04-12 12:02               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12 13:27                 ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12 13:42                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12 14:25                     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12 20:44                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-13  8:01                         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-13 11:05                           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-13 12:40                             ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/19] block: Remove bdrv_drain_recurse() Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12  8:39   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-20  7:20   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/19] test-bdrv-drain: Add test for node deletion Kevin Wolf
2018-04-20  7:32   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/19] block: Drain recursively with a single BDRV_POLL_WHILE() Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12  8:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/19] test-bdrv-drain: Test node deletion in subtree recursion Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/19] block: Don't poll in parent drain callbacks Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/19] test-bdrv-drain: Graph change through parent callback Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/19] block: Defer .bdrv_drain_begin callback to polling phase Kevin Wolf
2018-06-27 14:30   ` Max Reitz
2018-06-29 15:14     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/19] test-bdrv-drain: Test that bdrv_drain_invoke() doesn't poll Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/19] block: Allow AIO_WAIT_WHILE with NULL ctx Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12  8:43   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/19] block: Move bdrv_drain_all_begin() out of coroutine context Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/19] block: Allow graph changes in bdrv_drain_all_begin/end sections Kevin Wolf
2018-04-12  8:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-11 16:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/19] test-bdrv-drain: Test graph changes in drain_all section Kevin Wolf
2018-04-11 17:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/19] Drain fixes and cleanups, part 3 no-reply
2018-04-20  7:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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