From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C41D3407 for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 21:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from NAM01-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn3nam01on0130.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.33.130]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18F9718A for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 21:43:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Sasha Levin To: David Lang Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 21:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: <20180508214339.GE8514@sasha-vm> References: <20180503031000.GC29205@thunk.org> <0276fcda-0385-8f22-dbdb-e063f7ed8bbe@roeck-us.net> <20180503224217.GR2714@sirena.org.uk> <20180503230905.GA98604@atomide.com> <20180508023439.GA8514@sasha-vm> <20180508034820.GE999@thunk.org> <20180508202912.GC8514@sasha-vm> <20180508205505.GD8514@sasha-vm> In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <88315B09AF26DC4C9BDFFC0D97704818@namprd21.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "w@1wt.eu" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 01:59:18PM -0700, David Lang wrote: >On Tue, 8 May 2018, Sasha Levin wrote: > >>There's no one, for example, who picked up vanilla v4.16 and plans to >>keep using it for a year. > >Actually, at a prior job I would do almost exactly that. > >I never intended to go a year without updating, but it would happen if=20 >nothing came up that was related to the hardware/features I was=20 >running. > >so 'no one uses the Linus kernel is false. My point is not that "no one ever uses Linus kernel" but that no one takes one of those kernels and plans to stick with it for 3 months until the next one comes up, even if there are updates relevant to that user. Yes, some users will use a .0 release until either Greg releases a -stable, or until the next -rc is out. What I'm trying to say is that there is that the .0 release makes some people rush poorly tested commits in it even though the .0 release is not significant in any way.= From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Cyrus-Session-Id: sloti22d1t05-3452210-1525815833-2-2184679900936672011 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 3.0 X-Spam-known-sender: no X-Spam-score: 0.0 X-Spam-hits: BAYES_00 -1.9, MAILING_LIST_MULTI -1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED -2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.001, SPF_PASS -0.001, LANGUAGES en, BAYES_USED global, SA_VERSION 3.4.0 X-Spam-source: IP='140.211.169.12', Host='mail.linuxfoundation.org', Country='US', FromHeader='org', MailFrom='org', XOriginatingCountry='US' X-Spam-charsets: plain='us-ascii' X-Resolved-to: greg@kroah.com X-Delivered-to: greg@kroah.com X-Mail-from: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; d=messagingengine.com; s=fm2; t= 1525815833; b=Voif3DeEsTVimrWDUwSXdlMVWTJVH3G3kbYLcD+KNTdDmAXlq0 oAZ9Kyed6SsF8mzQQ8xWGBiqN3Be0xzr7GOfwKshChx/oYDZu2N3ee+FA+EifJAL ho2dQ4r/KS6ZCFWexQRcfI1EyvDSOpye9UzC6dxphuk48vmAE8V6wLIzJAMKvWq6 wjQlKF1pyLoi/hd8e+j3+ohTZkVseQ1SxbnM8gmhM2zl5huL4OTb2prLCNRk81Pw Vg9BZQT7yu8vqG/xarWKM8RqYcvapIeCKx+h4El9Rqj07fIW4FwOyxTIS5adcWhM ylXpWkWo7SuHIGjie+n2Xa3E1s06ya1hMPFg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:MW2PR2101MB1036; H:MW2PR2101MB1003.namprd21.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: vITo8MRLBR/9ChvlRdjh3olzFAjXZaYkKlKi3kMnQnPJr97SEN0SV19xqpuOsx4eB0jJAJWV881seBGfekS+vXi44OageHfJN/scHR1ZRGcfWBD3dLo8V6BF5KAhEk1h7NU2e1xErQjqmEkTAcFcHmhHyoJtEgjRUaNpf84moSLvK0CRy9AEmZsmSEeKo4+H spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-ID: <88315B09AF26DC4C9BDFFC0D97704818@namprd21.prod.outlook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: e98fa8ad-5e9d-41e2-e4e2-08d5b52cc40a X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e98fa8ad-5e9d-41e2-e4e2-08d5b52cc40a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 May 2018 21:43:41.4248 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW2PR2101MB1036 X-Remote-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Remote-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "w@1wt.eu" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches X-BeenThere: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Sasha Levin via Ksummit-discuss Reply-To: Sasha Levin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 01:59:18PM -0700, David Lang wrote: >On Tue, 8 May 2018, Sasha Levin wrote: > >>There's no one, for example, who picked up vanilla v4.16 and plans to >>keep using it for a year. > >Actually, at a prior job I would do almost exactly that. > >I never intended to go a year without updating, but it would happen if >nothing came up that was related to the hardware/features I was >running. > >so 'no one uses the Linus kernel is false. My point is not that "no one ever uses Linus kernel" but that no one takes one of those kernels and plans to stick with it for 3 months until the next one comes up, even if there are updates relevant to that user. Yes, some users will use a .0 release until either Greg releases a -stable, or until the next -rc is out. What I'm trying to say is that there is that the .0 release makes some people rush poorly tested commits in it even though the .0 release is not significant in any way. _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss