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From: Omar Sandoval <osandov@osandov.com>
To: Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>
Cc: "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
	"Niccolò Belli" <darkbasic@linuxsystems.it>,
	"David Sterba" <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	"Btrfs BTRFS" <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Any chance to get snapshot-aware defragmentation?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 15:46:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180518224635.GC1125@vader> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJCQCtQj=PYFF_Hi2M51-mZhY=swX46+YitgUX+95OvxUJ8n2w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 04:26:16PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Austin S. Hemmelgarn
> <ahferroin7@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2018-05-18 13:18, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> >>
> >> On venerdì 18 maggio 2018 19:10:02 CEST, Austin S. Hemmelgarn wrote:
> >>>
> >>> and also forces the people who have ridiculous numbers of snapshots to
> >>> deal with the memory usage or never defrag
> >>
> >>
> >> Whoever has at least one snapshot is never going to defrag anyway, unless
> >> he is willing to double the used space.
> >>
> > With a bit of work, it's possible to handle things sanely.  You can
> > deduplicate data from snapshots, even if they are read-only (you need to
> > pass the `-A` option to duperemove and run it as root), so it's perfectly
> > reasonable to only defrag the main subvolume, and then deduplicate the
> > snapshots against that (so that they end up all being reflinks to the main
> > subvolume).  Of course, this won't work if you're short on space, but if
> > you're dealing with snapshots, you should have enough space that this will
> > work (because even without defrag, it's fully possible for something to
> > cause the snapshots to suddenly take up a lot more space).
> 
> 
> Curiously, snapshot aware defragmentation is going to increase free
> space fragmentation. For busy in-use systems, it might be necessary to
> use space cache v2 to avoid performance problems.
> 
> I forget the exact reason why the free space tree is not the default,
> I think it has to do with missing repair support?

Yeah, Nikolay is working on that.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-18 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-11 15:22 Any chance to get snapshot-aware defragmentation? Niccolò Belli
2018-05-18 16:20 ` David Sterba
2018-05-18 16:36   ` Niccolò Belli
2018-05-18 17:10     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-05-18 17:18       ` Niccolò Belli
2018-05-18 18:33         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-05-18 22:26           ` Chris Murphy
2018-05-18 22:46             ` Omar Sandoval [this message]
2018-05-19  8:54           ` Niccolò Belli
2018-05-21 13:15             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-05-21 13:42               ` Timofey Titovets
2018-05-21 15:38                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-06-01  3:19                   ` Zygo Blaxell
2018-05-18 23:55       ` Tomasz Pala
2018-05-19  8:56         ` Niccolò Belli
     [not found]           ` <20180520105928.GA17117@polanet.pl>
2018-05-21 13:49             ` Niccolò Belli
2018-05-21 17:43       ` David Sterba
2018-05-21 19:22         ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn

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