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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, rth@twiddle.net,
	libvir-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 15:05:08 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180613180508.GD24764@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180605084300.GF32286@redhat.com>

Getting back to this discussion:

On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:43:00AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:27:46AM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> >   Hi,
> > 
> > > >   Add to that shortcuts like -cdrom
> > > > stop working,
> > > 
> > > Maybe is fixable.
> > 
> > Already fixed for ages.
> > 
> > > I see marking Q35 as the default machine a first step.
> > 
> > Maybe the better option is to go the arm route:  Just don't define a
> > default, so users have to specify pc or q35.  That will make them notice
> > there is a world beside 'pc', and we also avoid breaking things
> > silently.
> 
> If QEMU removes the default, then libvirt will have to hardcode
> 'pc' as the default to maintain back compatibility, so I don't
> think that ends up as a net win

I believe there's consensus that applications blindly relying on
the default machine-type when creating a domain is a bad idea.

That said, can we deprecate this feature in libvirt, encourage
applications to always specify an explicit machine-type, thus
making it possible to deprecate the i440fx machine-types one day?

-- 
Eduardo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-13 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-03  9:27 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-04  1:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 12:24   ` Igor Mammedov
2018-06-04 12:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-04 18:09       ` John Snow
2018-06-04 12:54   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 13:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-04 13:26       ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 17:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 18:30           ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 16:48       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-04 16:56         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-04 18:40           ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-04 21:08             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-04 18:29   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05  7:27     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2018-06-05  8:43       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:06         ` [Qemu-devel] libvirt default machine-type guarantees? (was Re: [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine) Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 13:12           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:35             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 13:41               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:44               ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 14:03                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-05 14:07                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 14:36                     ` Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 14:14                   ` Pavel Hrdina
2018-06-05 16:16             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 16:22               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:20         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] hw/pc: set q35 as the default x86 machine Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 13:29           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 13:44             ` Laszlo Ersek
2018-06-05 13:51               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:22                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 15:56             ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2018-06-05 16:01               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:20             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 16:23               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-05 16:33                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 18:05         ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2018-06-14  8:09           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-15  2:50             ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-15  9:03               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-18 17:14                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-18 17:18                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 17:28                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-21  7:39                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-20 17:33                     ` Peter Maydell
2018-06-21  7:37                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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