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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] kvm: support -dedicated cpu-pm=on|off
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:29:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180620172212-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75758aed-81ab-d320-595d-3c7832faa8d8@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 04:20:40PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 19/06/2018 22:43, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > 
> >> 2) Maybe -hostresource?
> >
> > Is ability to cause high latency for other threads really a resource?
> 
> The "resource" here is host CPU time.

Right but then everything we do is a host resource in that sense.
Host network, host disk ...

> In general, a vCPU with
> KVM_CPU_X86_DISABLE_EXITS will use more host CPU time and block
> overcommitting, just like mlock does for memory.

What bothers me is that it does not block overcommit as such.
It has a side effect that if something does end up
running on the same CPU, that something will get bad
latency jitter. 

> 
> Paolo

I agree there's similarity here around overcommit.

That's why I suggested -dedicated as an antonym to -overcommit.

But I'm fine with -disable-overcommit or -dedicated-host-resource too.

Or, how about

-locked

?


> > The issues in question:
> > 1. a malicious guest can cause high latency for others sharing the host cpu.
> > 2. to host scheduler cpu looks busier than it really is.

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] kvm: support -dedicated cpu-pm=on|off
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:29:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180620172212-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75758aed-81ab-d320-595d-3c7832faa8d8@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 04:20:40PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 19/06/2018 22:43, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > 
> >> 2) Maybe -hostresource?
> >
> > Is ability to cause high latency for other threads really a resource?
> 
> The "resource" here is host CPU time.

Right but then everything we do is a host resource in that sense.
Host network, host disk ...

> In general, a vCPU with
> KVM_CPU_X86_DISABLE_EXITS will use more host CPU time and block
> overcommitting, just like mlock does for memory.

What bothers me is that it does not block overcommit as such.
It has a side effect that if something does end up
running on the same CPU, that something will get bad
latency jitter. 

> 
> Paolo

I agree there's similarity here around overcommit.

That's why I suggested -dedicated as an antonym to -overcommit.

But I'm fine with -disable-overcommit or -dedicated-host-resource too.

Or, how about

-locked

?


> > The issues in question:
> > 1. a malicious guest can cause high latency for others sharing the host cpu.
> > 2. to host scheduler cpu looks busier than it really is.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-20 14:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-15 22:29 [PATCH v3 0/2] kvm: limited x86 CPU power management Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] kvm: support -dedicated cpu-pm=on|off Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-19 15:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 15:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 20:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-19 20:43       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 14:20       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-20 14:20         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-20 14:29         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-06-20 14:29           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 14:45           ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-20 14:45             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 22:07     ` Eric Blake
2018-06-19 22:07       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2018-06-20  0:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20  0:06         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20  0:46         ` Wanpeng Li
2018-06-20  0:46           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wanpeng Li
2018-06-20  2:41           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20  2:41             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-05  5:52             ` Wanpeng Li
2018-07-05  5:52               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wanpeng Li
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] i386/cpu: make -cpu host support monitor/mwait Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-16  0:05 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] kvm: limited x86 CPU power management no-reply
2018-06-16  0:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " no-reply

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