From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] kvm: support -dedicated cpu-pm=on|off
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:29:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180620172212-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75758aed-81ab-d320-595d-3c7832faa8d8@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 04:20:40PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 19/06/2018 22:43, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >
> >> 2) Maybe -hostresource?
> >
> > Is ability to cause high latency for other threads really a resource?
>
> The "resource" here is host CPU time.
Right but then everything we do is a host resource in that sense.
Host network, host disk ...
> In general, a vCPU with
> KVM_CPU_X86_DISABLE_EXITS will use more host CPU time and block
> overcommitting, just like mlock does for memory.
What bothers me is that it does not block overcommit as such.
It has a side effect that if something does end up
running on the same CPU, that something will get bad
latency jitter.
>
> Paolo
I agree there's similarity here around overcommit.
That's why I suggested -dedicated as an antonym to -overcommit.
But I'm fine with -disable-overcommit or -dedicated-host-resource too.
Or, how about
-locked
?
> > The issues in question:
> > 1. a malicious guest can cause high latency for others sharing the host cpu.
> > 2. to host scheduler cpu looks busier than it really is.
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] kvm: support -dedicated cpu-pm=on|off
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:29:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180620172212-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75758aed-81ab-d320-595d-3c7832faa8d8@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 04:20:40PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 19/06/2018 22:43, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >
> >> 2) Maybe -hostresource?
> >
> > Is ability to cause high latency for other threads really a resource?
>
> The "resource" here is host CPU time.
Right but then everything we do is a host resource in that sense.
Host network, host disk ...
> In general, a vCPU with
> KVM_CPU_X86_DISABLE_EXITS will use more host CPU time and block
> overcommitting, just like mlock does for memory.
What bothers me is that it does not block overcommit as such.
It has a side effect that if something does end up
running on the same CPU, that something will get bad
latency jitter.
>
> Paolo
I agree there's similarity here around overcommit.
That's why I suggested -dedicated as an antonym to -overcommit.
But I'm fine with -disable-overcommit or -dedicated-host-resource too.
Or, how about
-locked
?
> > The issues in question:
> > 1. a malicious guest can cause high latency for others sharing the host cpu.
> > 2. to host scheduler cpu looks busier than it really is.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-20 14:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-15 22:29 [PATCH v3 0/2] kvm: limited x86 CPU power management Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] kvm: support -dedicated cpu-pm=on|off Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-19 15:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 15:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 20:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-19 20:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 14:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-20 14:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-20 14:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-06-20 14:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 14:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-20 14:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-19 22:07 ` Eric Blake
2018-06-19 22:07 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2018-06-20 0:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 0:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 0:46 ` Wanpeng Li
2018-06-20 0:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wanpeng Li
2018-06-20 2:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-20 2:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-05 5:52 ` Wanpeng Li
2018-07-05 5:52 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wanpeng Li
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] i386/cpu: make -cpu host support monitor/mwait Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-16 0:05 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] kvm: limited x86 CPU power management no-reply
2018-06-16 0:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " no-reply
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