From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: virtio-dev-return-4546-cohuck=redhat.com@lists.oasis-open.org Sender: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Received: from lists.oasis-open.org (oasis-open.org [66.179.20.138]) by lists.oasis-open.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D906E1CB807B for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 10:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 20:50:20 +0300 From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Message-ID: <20180626204312-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> References: <20180621165913.7e3f4faa.cohuck@redhat.com> <20180621211712-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180622170955.298900c1.cohuck@redhat.com> <20180622214259-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180623003022-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180623012934-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180626170813.4db094a1.cohuck@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180626170813.4db094a1.cohuck@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature bit to virtio_net To: Cornelia Huck Cc: Siwei Liu , "Samudrala, Sridhar" , Alexander Duyck , virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, aaron.f.brown@intel.com, Jiri Pirko , Jakub Kicinski , Netdev , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, konrad.wilk@oracle.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, Joao Martins , Venu Busireddy , vijay.balakrishna@oracle.com List-ID: On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 05:08:13PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:05:04 -0700 > Siwei Liu wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > I suspect the diveregence will be lost on most users though > > > simply because they don't even care about vfio. They just > > > want things to go fast. > > > > Like Jason said, VF isn't faster than virtio-net in all cases. It > > depends on the workload and performance metrics: throughput, latency, > > or packet per second. > > So, will it be guest/admin-controllable then where the traffic flows > through? Just because we do have a vf available after negotiation of > the feature bit, it does not necessarily mean we want to use it? Do we > (the guest) even want to make it visible in that case? I think these ideas belong to what Alex Duyck wanted to do: some kind of advanced device that isn't tied to any network interfaces and allows workload and performance specific tuning. Way out of scope for a simple failover, and more importantly, no one is looking at even enumerating the problems involved, much less solving them. -- MST --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: virtio-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: virtio-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature bit to virtio_net Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 20:50:20 +0300 Message-ID: <20180626204312-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> References: <20180621165913.7e3f4faa.cohuck@redhat.com> <20180621211712-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180622170955.298900c1.cohuck@redhat.com> <20180622214259-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180623003022-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180623012934-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180626170813.4db094a1.cohuck@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180626170813.4db094a1.cohuck@redhat.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Errors-To: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org To: Cornelia Huck Cc: Alexander Duyck , virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, Jiri Pirko , konrad.wilk@oracle.com, Jakub Kicinski , "Samudrala, Sridhar" , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, Siwei Liu , Venu Busireddy , Netdev , boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, aaron.f.brown@intel.com, Joao Martins List-Id: virtualization@lists.linuxfoundation.org On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 05:08:13PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:05:04 -0700 > Siwei Liu wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > I suspect the diveregence will be lost on most users though > > > simply because they don't even care about vfio. They just > > > want things to go fast. > > > > Like Jason said, VF isn't faster than virtio-net in all cases. It > > depends on the workload and performance metrics: throughput, latency, > > or packet per second. > > So, will it be guest/admin-controllable then where the traffic flows > through? Just because we do have a vf available after negotiation of > the feature bit, it does not necessarily mean we want to use it? Do we > (the guest) even want to make it visible in that case? I think these ideas belong to what Alex Duyck wanted to do: some kind of advanced device that isn't tied to any network interfaces and allows workload and performance specific tuning. Way out of scope for a simple failover, and more importantly, no one is looking at even enumerating the problems involved, much less solving them. -- MST From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44610) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXs6k-0001ki-Uj for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 13:50:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXs6h-0006rS-0r for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 13:50:27 -0400 Received: from mx3-rdu2.redhat.com ([66.187.233.73]:49458 helo=mx1.redhat.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fXs6g-0006qy-Gs for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2018 13:50:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 20:50:20 +0300 From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Message-ID: <20180626204312-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> References: <20180621165913.7e3f4faa.cohuck@redhat.com> <20180621211712-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180622170955.298900c1.cohuck@redhat.com> <20180622214259-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180623003022-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180623012934-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180626170813.4db094a1.cohuck@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180626170813.4db094a1.cohuck@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_STANDBY feature bit to virtio_net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Cornelia Huck Cc: Siwei Liu , "Samudrala, Sridhar" , Alexander Duyck , virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, aaron.f.brown@intel.com, Jiri Pirko , Jakub Kicinski , Netdev , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, konrad.wilk@oracle.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, Joao Martins , Venu Busireddy , vijay.balakrishna@oracle.com On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 05:08:13PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 17:05:04 -0700 > Siwei Liu wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > > > I suspect the diveregence will be lost on most users though > > > simply because they don't even care about vfio. They just > > > want things to go fast. > > > > Like Jason said, VF isn't faster than virtio-net in all cases. It > > depends on the workload and performance metrics: throughput, latency, > > or packet per second. > > So, will it be guest/admin-controllable then where the traffic flows > through? Just because we do have a vf available after negotiation of > the feature bit, it does not necessarily mean we want to use it? Do we > (the guest) even want to make it visible in that case? I think these ideas belong to what Alex Duyck wanted to do: some kind of advanced device that isn't tied to any network interfaces and allows workload and performance specific tuning. Way out of scope for a simple failover, and more importantly, no one is looking at even enumerating the problems involved, much less solving them. -- MST