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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mhillenb@amazon.de,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Make need_resched() return true when rcu_urgent_qs requested
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:58:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180709085837.GD2476@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1530897284.18697.24.camel@infradead.org>

On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 06:14:44PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-07-06 at 10:11 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > The preempt state is alread a bit complicated and shadowed in the
> > > preempt_count (on some architectures) adding additional bits to it like
> > > this is just asking for trouble.
> > 
> > How about a separate need_resched_rcu() that includes the extra cache
> > miss?  Or open-coding the rcu_urgent_qs_requested()?
> 
> Peter said "touch two cachelines". He didn't say it was a cache miss.
> 
> Given that every single cond_resched() call touches the same cache
> line, and every single rcu_all_qs() and similar will also touch it,
> it's fairly much guaranteed *not* to be a miss...

cond_resched() is a no-op for PREEMPT=y, but then you're still
sprinkling that read all across.

> ... which is why I didn't really understand why he cared.

Well it also complicated the whole preemption state, and like I wrote,
TIF_NEED_RESCHED is not the only place we track preemption state in.

Stuff like preempt_enable() will (on x86) only ever look at the
preempt_count value.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-09  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-06 14:53 [RFC] Make need_resched() return true when rcu_urgent_qs requested David Woodhouse
2018-07-06 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-06 17:11   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-06 17:14     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-06 21:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09  8:58       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-07-09  8:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09  9:18       ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 10:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 10:56           ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 11:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 11:12               ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 11:31                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 12:34               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 12:47                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 14:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 12:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 12:57                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 13:02                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 14:29                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 14:43                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 14:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 15:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 16:34                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 16:44                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 18:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 20:34                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 20:35                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 20:42                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 20:45                                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 21:05                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 22:08                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 10:57                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 12:51                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 12:58                                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 14:25                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 14:23                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 14:43                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 16:49                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 17:03                                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 17:48                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 18:01                                                   ` [PATCH v2] kvm/x86: Inform RCU of quiescent state when entering guest mode David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 18:20                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 18:36                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 18:39                                                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 20:27                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 20:54                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 21:09                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 21:11                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 21:32                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 21:39                                                                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 23:47                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12  8:31                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-12 11:00                                                                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-12 11:10                                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-12 11:58                                                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-12 12:04                                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 23:37                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12  2:15                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12  6:21                                                                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-12  9:52                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 18:31                                                 ` [RFC] Make need_resched() return true when rcu_urgent_qs requested Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 20:17                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 20:19                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 21:08                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 12:00                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-12 12:53                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 16:17                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-16 15:40                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17  8:19                                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-17 12:56                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 15:36                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 16:01                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-18 16:37                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 19:41                                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-18 20:17                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19  0:26                                                                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19  6:45                                                                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-19  7:20                                                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-19 10:23                                                                                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-19 12:55                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19 13:14                                                                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19 13:36                                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-19 17:09                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-23  8:08                                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-23 12:22                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19  0:32                                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19  3:11                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19  6:16                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-19 13:17                                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19 13:15                                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-10  9:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-10 16:26                                     ` Paul E. McKenney

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