From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] Balloon inhibit enhancements
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:49:58 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180730182951-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180730090137.15917879@t450s.home>
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 09:01:37AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > but I don't think it can be done
> > > atomically with respect to inflight DMA of a physical device where we
> > > cannot halt the device without interfering with its state.
> >
> > Guests never add pages to the balloon if they are under DMA,
> > so that's fine - there's never an in-flight DMA, if
> > there is guest is buggy and it's ok to crash it.
>
> It's not the ballooned page that I'm trying to note, it's the entire
> remainder of the SubRegion which needs to be unmapped to remove that
> one page. It's more compatible from an IOMMU perspective in that we're
> only unmapping with the same granularity with which we mapped, but it's
> incompatible with inflight DMA as we have no idea what DMA targets may
> reside within the remainder of that mapping while it's temporarily
> unmapped.
I see. Yes you need to be careful to replace the host IOMMU PTE
atomically. Same applies to vIOMMU though - if guest changes
a PTE atomically host should do the same.
--
MST
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/3] Balloon inhibit enhancements
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:49:58 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180730182951-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180730090137.15917879@t450s.home>
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 09:01:37AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > but I don't think it can be done
> > > atomically with respect to inflight DMA of a physical device where we
> > > cannot halt the device without interfering with its state.
> >
> > Guests never add pages to the balloon if they are under DMA,
> > so that's fine - there's never an in-flight DMA, if
> > there is guest is buggy and it's ok to crash it.
>
> It's not the ballooned page that I'm trying to note, it's the entire
> remainder of the SubRegion which needs to be unmapped to remove that
> one page. It's more compatible from an IOMMU perspective in that we're
> only unmapping with the same granularity with which we mapped, but it's
> incompatible with inflight DMA as we have no idea what DMA targets may
> reside within the remainder of that mapping while it's temporarily
> unmapped.
I see. Yes you need to be careful to replace the host IOMMU PTE
atomically. Same applies to vIOMMU though - if guest changes
a PTE atomically host should do the same.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-30 15:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-17 22:47 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Balloon inhibit enhancements Alex Williamson
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] balloon: Allow nested inhibits Alex Williamson
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-18 6:40 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-18 6:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-18 16:37 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-18 16:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-19 4:45 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 4:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] kvm: Use inhibit to prevent ballooning without synchronous mmu Alex Williamson
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] vfio: Inhibit ballooning Alex Williamson
2018-07-17 22:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-18 6:48 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Balloon inhibit enhancements Peter Xu
2018-07-18 6:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-18 9:36 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-18 9:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2018-07-19 4:49 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-19 8:42 ` Cornelia Huck
2018-07-19 8:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2018-07-19 9:30 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 9:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-19 15:31 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-19 15:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-18 16:31 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-18 16:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-19 5:40 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-19 5:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-19 15:01 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-19 15:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-20 2:56 ` Peter Xu
2018-07-20 2:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-07-30 13:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 13:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 13:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-30 13:54 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2018-07-30 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 13:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 14:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-30 14:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2018-07-30 14:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 14:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 15:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2018-07-30 15:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " David Hildenbrand
2018-07-30 14:39 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-30 14:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-30 14:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 14:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 15:01 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-30 15:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-30 15:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-07-30 15:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 16:42 ` Alex Williamson
2018-07-30 16:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-07-30 17:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-07-30 17:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
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