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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>, Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ebiggers@kernel.org,
	samba-technical <samba-technical@lists.samba.org>
Subject: Re: Streams support in Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:45:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180827184459.GC6515@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180827182143.GB24544@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:21:43AM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:05:31AM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote:
> > I can't think of a *single* case where a stream adds more
> > utility than an EA used in the same case.
> > 
> > I don't want theoretical "well it would be nice if..",
> > I want clear "we couldn't have done it any other way"
> > kinds of things.
> 
> I started this thread with such an example.  The fs-verity patch proposed
> wants to store hundreds of megabytes of data associated with a particular
> file.  The current solution is to append it to the end of the data then
> magic to set i_size lower but not remove the data from the file like a
> truncate would.  Then more magic to read that data.
> 
> It can't be stored in an xattr; xattrs are limited to 64k in size.
> And you have to read them / write them all-in-one-go; you can't read
> a little bit of them.  How would you solve the fs-verity problem with
> less magic?

* create a subdirectory in root called e.g. .turdis
* prohibit lookups of that after mount has done the initial one and got a dentry
for it
* kernel-side, do O_TEMPFILE open, crap into it and link it in /.turdis/pile#42
* put that 42 into xattrs of the file that has served as, er, nutrient source.

No fs structure changes needed...

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-27 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-25 13:51 Streams support in Linux Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-25 14:47 ` Al Viro
2018-08-25 15:51   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-25 18:00     ` Al Viro
2018-08-25 20:57       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-25 22:36         ` Al Viro
2018-08-26  1:03           ` Steve French
2018-08-27 17:05             ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-27 17:41               ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-27 18:21               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-27 18:45                 ` Al Viro [this message]
2018-08-27 19:06                 ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-28  0:45                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-28  1:07                   ` Steve French
2018-08-28 18:12                     ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-28 18:32                       ` Steve French
2018-08-28 18:40                         ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-28 19:43                           ` Steve French
2018-08-28 19:47                             ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-28 20:43                               ` Steve French
2018-08-28 20:47                                 ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-28 20:51                                   ` Steve French
2018-08-28 21:19                                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2018-08-28 21:22                                     ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-28 21:23                                     ` Steve French
2018-08-29  5:13                                       ` Ralph Böhme
2018-08-29 13:46                       ` Tom Talpey
2018-08-29 13:54                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2018-08-29 15:02                           ` Tom Talpey
2018-08-29 16:00                             ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-29 15:59                         ` Jeremy Allison
2018-08-29 18:52                           ` Andreas Dilger
2018-08-26 20:30           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-25 16:25 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-27 16:33   ` Jeremy Allison
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-20  2:06 Shahbaz Youssefi

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