From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD02C43382 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FA52098A for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:14:15 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=thunk.org header.i=@thunk.org header.b="SHTUxUJI" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org D1FA52098A Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729441AbeIYVWK (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:22:10 -0400 Received: from imap.thunk.org ([74.207.234.97]:45336 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729171AbeIYVWJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:22:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2W5HkU1o9nkh7mvJTPmBHSGL8GA5ZdDy7HSwsJ620Bk=; b=SHTUxUJIr67x7JNHWMvPD/BEHt 4tpHsA780WKFM4nDTuWaUK922meYDCvoZSoojwsme4X7sI7rOEtw3zuHKiXe+BK7XUbcG8SuCD4BE Fo5Ik6YJ/w8xpvFSUw/A5cRoIw2gbrf26rleZssQwA5S1/MosetWYQ9wMBOmBO1uBg84=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1g4p2M-0000ZX-Sh; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:14:06 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 264FE7A510B; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:14:06 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: Christoph Conrads Cc: Pavel Machek , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: <20180925151406.GB2933@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Christoph Conrads , Pavel Machek , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <20180925112832.GA10951@amd> <20180925143645.af1457944142ecfec7199d80@christoph-conrads.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180925143645.af1457944142ecfec7199d80@christoph-conrads.name> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 02:36:45PM +0200, Christoph Conrads wrote: > The CoC is a political document: > https://web.archive.org/web/20180924234027/https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1041465346656530432 ... > Here is the author's post-meritocracy manifesto: > https://postmeritocracy.org/ There have been those who have characterized the GPL as being more than just a license, but also a political statement. And yet, many projects, include Linus, use the GPL without necessarily subscribing to all of Richard Stallman's positions, political or otherwise. As an example: while some Linux users and developers believe with Stallman that the name Linux should not be used, but LiGNUx and GNU/Linux instead, others think Linux/BSD/GNU/X/Perl/Python would be more accurate, and still others thought Stallman's naming proposal was just plain silly. Most distributions, including Red Hat, SuSE, Arch, Gentoo, and Ubuntu don't use GNU/Linux, with Debian being an exception. The Linux community is perfectly capable of forming its own political beliefs, interpretations, and usage of the GPLv2 (including EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL), without Richard Stallman dictating his positions and beliefs to us. We don't use the GPLv3 for the Kernel, despite Stallman's clearly stated preference that we do so. The use of GPLv2 does not magically brainwash all of users of that document to blindly follow its author. The same is true of the CoC. - Ted