Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH-TOPIC] Review - Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

[Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>]

Em Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:58:35 +0200
Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com> escreveu:

> On 9/26/18 11:19 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Wed 26-09-18 09:54:00, Jani Nikula wrote:  
> >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com> wrote:  
> >>> On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 16:15 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:  
> >>>> as a maintainer, I'm happy to try to police
> >>>> civility by calling adverse behaviours out on the list  
> >>>
> >>> Good for you, but that's not necessarily something others
> >>> might want to do.  Nor should have to.  
> >>
> >> I think the only way any code of conduct is ever going to work is
> >> top-down, with maintainers leading by example, both in terms of
> >> following and enforcing the CoC. It's not going to work bottom-up, nor
> >> with everyone always involving the TAB directly. For the most part, it's
> >> just a matter of explicitly asking people to be civil anyway.
> >>
> >> This may well be the biggest reason the "code of conlict" did not
> >> succeed, despite the large number of acks.  
> > 
> > One thing I'm missing: Did "code of conflict" really fail? I find the areas
> > which I follow (filesystems and surroundings) pretty civil but so they were
> > even before "code of conflict"... So maybe I miss some events?
> >   
> I can only agree here.
> So far I haven't had any evidence of a massive breakdown of civility, 
> and in fact nothing which would warrant extra steps.
> Plus it would really help to figure out which _specific_ problem the CoC 
> is actually trying to solve; this would help to focus the entire discussion.

+1.

I'm not aware of any big thing at the media ML those days that caused
me a major concern (we used to have a lot in the past). My feeling is
that things have been improved.

Ok, LKML is a different beast, but who actually read all messages
there those days?

Thanks,
Mauro