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From: Pavan Kondeti <pkondeti@codeaurora.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@s-opensource.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 29/30] softirq: Make softirq processing softinterruptible
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:42:00 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181022081200.GB27587@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181017002601.GB12996@lenoir>

Hi Frederic,

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 02:26:02AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Hi Pavan,
> 
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 09:45:52AM +0530, Pavan Kondeti wrote:
> > Hi Frederic,
> > 
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 01:12:16AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > Make do_softirq() re-entrant and allow a vector, being either processed
> > > or disabled, to be interrupted by another vector. This way a vector
> > > won't be able to monopolize the CPU for a long while at the expense of
> > > the others that may rely on some predictable latency, especially on
> > > softirq disabled sections that used to disable all vectors.
> > > 
> > I understand that a long running softirq can be preempted/interrupted by
> > other softirqs which is not possible today. I have few questions on your
> > patches.
> > 
> > (1) When softirq processing is pushed to ksoftirqd, then the long running
> > softirq can still block other softirqs (not in SOFTIRQ_NOW_MASK) for a while.
> > correct?
> 
> No, Ksoftirqd is treated the same as IRQ tail processing here: a vector can
> interrupt another. So for example, a NET_RX softirq running in Ksoftirqd can
> be interrupted by a TIMER softirq running in hardirq tail.
> 
When ksoftirqd is running, we are only allowing softirqs in SOFTIRQ_NOW_MASK
to run after serving an interrupt. So I don't see how TIMER which is not
in SOFTIRQ_NOW_MASK can interrupt a NET_RX softirq running in ksoftirqd
context.

> > 
> > (2) When softirqs processing happens asynchronously, a particular softirq
> > like TASKLET can keep interrupting an already running softirq like TIMER/NET_RX,
> > correct? In worse case scenario, a long running softirq like NET_RX interrupt
> > a TIMER softirq. But I guess this is something expected with this. i.e
> > each softirq is independent and whichever comes recent gets to interrupt the
> > previously running softirqs.
> 
> Exactly, and that's inherent with interrupts in general. The only way to work
> around that is to thread each vector independantly but that's a whole different
> dimension :-)
> 
Right.

Assigning a thread for each vector also may not solve this problem because
preemption would be disabled while a softirq vector is running in its own
thread.

I guess there is no hard priorities among softirq vectors. Earlier
it was like first come first serve, now it is not. If we had priorities
defined, (don't know how :-)) we could disable the lower prio vectors while a
higher prio vector is being handled. This way we could gaurantee that TIMER
softirq or HI-TASKLET won't be starved while a long running softirq like
NET_RX/NET_TX/RCU is running.

Thanks,
Pavan
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-22  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-10 23:11 [RFC PATCH 00/30] softirq: Make softirqs soft-interruptible (+ per vector disablement) Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 01/30] x86: Revert "x86/irq: Demote irq_cpustat_t::__softirq_pending to u16" Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 02/30] arch/softirq: Rename softirq_pending fields to softirq_data Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 03/30] softirq: Implement local_softirq_pending() below softirq vector definition Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 04/30] softirq: Normalize softirq_pending naming scheme Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 05/30] softirq: Convert softirq_pending_set() to softirq_pending_nand() Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 06/30] softirq: Introduce disabled softirq vectors bits Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 07/30] softirq: Rename _local_bh_enable() to local_bh_enable_no_softirq() Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 08/30] softirq: Move vectors bits to bottom_half.h Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 09/30] x86: Init softirq enabled field Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 10/30] softirq: Check enabled bits on the softirq loop Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 11/30] net: Prepare netif_tx_lock_bh/netif_tx_unlock_bh() for handling softirq mask Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:11 ` [RFC PATCH 12/30] rcu: Prepare rcu_read_[un]lock_bh() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-16  5:28   ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-17  0:44     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-17  0:55       ` Joel Fernandes
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 13/30] net: Prepare tcp_get_md5sig_pool() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 14/30] softirq: Introduce local_bh_disable_all() Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 15/30] net: Prepare [un]lock_sock_fast() for handling softirq mask Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 16/30] net: Prepare nf_log_buf_open() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 17/30] isdn: Prepare isdn_net_get_locked_lp() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 18/30] softirq: Prepare local_bh_disable() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 19/30] diva: Prepare diva_os_enter_spin_lock() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 20/30] tg3: Prepare tg3_full_[un]lock() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 21/30] locking: Prepare spin_lock_bh() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 22/30] seqlock: Prepare write_seq[un]lock_bh() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 23/30] rwlock: Prepare write_[un]lock_bh() " Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 24/30] softirq: Introduce Local_bh_enter/exit() Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 25/30] softirq: Push down softirq mask to __local_bh_disable_ip() Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 26/30] softirq: Increment the softirq offset on top of enabled bits Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 27/30] softirq: Swap softirq serving VS disable on preempt mask layout Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 28/30] softirq: Disable vector on execution Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 29/30] softirq: Make softirq processing softinterruptible Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-16  4:15   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-10-17  0:26     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-22  8:12       ` Pavan Kondeti [this message]
2018-10-10 23:12 ` [RFC PATCH 30/30] softirq: Tasklet/net-rx fixup Frederic Weisbecker
2018-10-16 22:03 ` [RFC PATCH 00/30] softirq: Make softirqs soft-interruptible (+ per vector disablement) Jonathan Corbet
2018-10-16 23:37   ` Richard Cochran
2018-10-17  1:20   ` Frederic Weisbecker

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