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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Woods, Brian" <Brian.Woods@amd.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de>,
	Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.com>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>, Pu Wen <puwen@hygon.cn>,
	Jia Zhang <qianyue.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Myron Stowe <myron.stowe@redhat.com>,
	Sumeet Pawnikar <sumeet.r.pawnikar@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org" <linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] x86/amd_nb: add support for newer PCI topologies
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:31:03 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181107213103.GA41183@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75748b089ee696d5cbaa5c0ce68bad228699894c.camel@linux.intel.com>

On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 11:15:37AM -0800, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-11-06 at 17:20 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > [+cc Sumeet, Srinivas for INT3401 questions below]
> > [Beginning of thread:
> > 
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20181102181055.130531-1-brian.woods@amd.com/
> > ]
> > 
> > On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 11:00:59PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 03:42:56PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > This isn't some complicated new device where the programming
> > > > model changed on the new CPU.  This is a thermometer that was
> > > > already supported.  ACPI provides plenty of functionality that
> > > > could be used to support this generically, e.g., see
> > > > drivers/acpi/thermal.c,
> > > > drivers/thermal/int340x_thermal/processor_thermal_device.c,
> > > > etc.
> > > 
> > > Ok, you say ACPI but how do you envision practically doing that?
> > > I mean, this is used by old boxes too - ever since K8. So how do
> > > we go and add ACPI functionality to old boxes?
> > > 
> > > Or do you mean it should simply be converted to do
> > > pci_register_driver() with a struct pci_driver pointer which has
> > > all those PCI device IDs in a table? I'm looking at the last
> > > example
> > > drivers/thermal/int340x_thermal/processor_thermal_device.c you
> > > gave above.
> > 
> > No, there would be no need to change anything for boxes already in
> > the field.  But for *new* systems, you could make devices or
> > thermal zones in the ACPI namespace (they might even already be
> > there for use by Windows).
> > 
> > drivers/thermal/int340x_thermal/processor_thermal_device.c claims
> > either INT3401 ACPI devices or listed PCI devices. 
> 
> To enumerate a driver to get processor temperature and get power
> properties, we have two methods:
> -  The older Atom processors valleyview and Baytrail had no PCI device
> for the processor thermal management. There was INT3401 ACPI device to
> handle this.
> 
> - The newer processors for core and Atom, has a dedicate PCI device and
> there is no INT3401 ACPI device anymore.

This is really interesting because it's completely the reverse of what
I would have expected.

You use INT3401 on the *older* processors, where int3401_add() is
called for any platform devices with INT3401 PNP ID:

  int3401_add(plat_dev)                   # platform/ACPI .probe
    proc_thermal_add(dev)
      adev = ACPI_COMPANION(dev)
      int340x_thermal_zone_add(adev)
	thermal_zone_device_register()

The sensors are read in this path, where thermal_zone_get_temp() is
the generic thermal entry point:

  thermal_zone_get_temp()
    tz->ops->get_temp()
      int340x_thermal_get_zone_temp()    # ops.get_temp
	acpi_evaluate_integer(..., "_TMP", ...)

The above works for any platform that supplies the INT3401 device
because the _TMP method that actually reads the sensor is supplied by
the platform firmware.

On *newer* processors, you apparently use this path:

  proc_thermal_pci_probe(pci_dev)        # PCI .probe
    pci_enable_device(pci_dev)
    proc_thermal_add(dev)
      adev = ACPI_COMPANION(dev)
      int340x_thermal_zone_add(adev)
	thermal_zone_device_register()

Except for enabling the PCI device and a BSW_THERMAL hack, this is
exactly the *SAME*: you add a thermal zone for the ACPI device and
read the sensor using ACPI _TMP methods.

But now you have to add new PCI IDs (Skylake, Broxton, CannonLake,
CoffeeLake, GeminiLake, etc) for every new platform.  This seems like
a regression, not an improvement.  What am I missing?

> Since OEM systems will have different power properties and thermal
> trips, there is a companion ACPI device, which provides PPCC and
> thermal trips and optionally output from another temperature sensor
> from the default on processor cores.

Bjorn

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-07 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-02 18:11 [PATCH 0/4] Update DF/SMN access and k10temp for AMD F17h M30h Woods, Brian
2018-11-02 18:11 ` [PATCH 1/4] k10temp: x86/amd_nb: consolidate shared device IDs Woods, Brian
2018-11-02 18:24   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-02 18:11 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/amd_nb: add support for newer PCI topologies Woods, Brian
2018-11-02 19:59   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-02 23:29     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-05 21:45       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-05 21:56         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-06 21:42           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-06 22:00             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-06 23:20               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-07  9:18                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-07 13:38                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-07 16:07                     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-07 17:10                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-07 17:17                         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-07 19:50                       ` Woods, Brian
2018-11-07 13:51                   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-07 17:16                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-07 19:15                 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-11-07 21:31                   ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2018-11-07 22:42                     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-11-07 23:14                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-07 23:30                         ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-11-07 23:44                           ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-11-08  1:40                         ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-08 13:59                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-11-05 19:38   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-05 20:33     ` Woods, Brian
2018-11-05 21:42       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-05 23:32         ` Woods, Brian
2018-11-06  8:27           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-11-02 18:11 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/amd_nb: add PCI device IDs for F17h M30h Woods, Brian
2018-11-02 18:11 ` [PATCH 4/4] hwmon: k10temp: add support for AMD F17h M30h CPUs Woods, Brian
2018-11-02 18:26   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-11-05 20:32   ` Borislav Petkov

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