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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Chanho Min <chanho.min@lge.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "exec: make de_thread() freezable (was: Re: Linux 4.20-rc4)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:40:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181203134016.GC31795@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181203123857.GS31738@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 12/03, Michal Hocko wrote:
>
> On Mon 03-12-18 13:31:49, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > On 12/03, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > >
> > > Now, I wouldn't mind to revert this because the code is really old and
> > > we haven't seen many bug reports about failing suspend yet. But what is
> > > the actual plan to make this work properly?
> >
> > I don't see a simple solution...
> >
> > But we need to fix exec/de_thread anyway, then we can probably reconsider
> > this patch.
>
> My concern is that de_thread fix might be too disruptive for stable
> kernels while we might want to have a simple enough fix for the the
> suspend issue in the meantime. That was actually the primary reason I've
> acked the hack even though I didn't like it.
>
> So can we find a way to shut the lockdep up

You have already mentioned freezable_schedule_unsafe(), but I agree with
"DO NOT ADD ANY NEW CALLERS OF THIS FUNCTION" above it ...

> when this is not really a
> deadlock?

not a deadlock, but lockdep is obviously right, suspend still can fail if
another task needs the same mutex.

Again, we have already discussed this, in my opinion we should blame exec/
de_thread for this and other problems.

> Or maybe this really is one and then we need a real fix for
> stable as well.

Well, strace -f can hang if it races with mt exec, it would be nice to have
a fix for stable.

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-03 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-25 23:02 Linux 4.20-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03  7:47 ` [PATCH] Revert "exec: make de_thread() freezable (was: Re: Linux 4.20-rc4) Ingo Molnar
2018-12-03  8:39   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 12:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-12-03 12:31     ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-12-03 12:38       ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 13:10         ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-03 13:53           ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 14:14             ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-03 14:17               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 14:45                 ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-03 17:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 17:18                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 18:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-04  9:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-12-04  9:10                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-04  9:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-12-04  9:58                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-04 17:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-04 18:17                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-04 19:33                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-04 19:49                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-04 20:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-04 19:55                           ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-04 19:42                       ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-04 19:29                   ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-03 13:40         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2018-12-03 11:56   ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-12-04  9:17     ` Ingo Molnar
2018-12-05 14:36       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-12-06  8:54         ` Chanho Min
2018-12-06  8:57           ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-06  9:07             ` Chanho Min
2018-12-03 12:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-12-04  8:42     ` Ingo Molnar

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